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Yes, He meant lets talk about something besides the thread.
No, he meant the land theft by Jordan. Do you happen to know how that played a part in the situation? Might be good to get informed before we have to read more inane comments by you.
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No, he meant the land theft by Jordan. Do you happen to know how that played a part in the situation? Might be good to get informed before we have to read more inane comments by you.
I don't think that's going to happen. Some people have it already ingrained in the brain to be anti-Israel, for some reason unknown even to them.
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Right. Because we are talking about Israel. I didn't talk about Hootoos and tooties either. Of Cheese and Macaroni. Or Labrador retrievers.
What about Israel? Oh! You mean Israel and the Palestinians. You know, the ones who got the crap kicked out of them by Jordan when they attempted to take back the land stolen from them by Jordan.
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Put in simple terms Mikeyy, just for you.

The partition plan giving the land west of the Jordan river was given to the arabs - they refused it and attacked the new state of Israel in 1948 and Jordan illegally annexed that land known as the West Bank.

19 years later in 1967 after the arabs from countries surrounding Israel attacked Israel, Israel retook the land from Jordan.

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Maybe Kerry can guarantee the Palestinian terrorists a nuclear weapon within a decade like he and Obama did with Iran.

Has to be a little awkward having Kerry go over there and pretend to give a sh*t 'bout the Israeli people after the nuclear agreement they just made with Iran. Israel must be thinkin', "Yeah, thanks but no thanks. You incompetent f*cks have done enough."

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A column in National Review by attorney and writer David French said Israel is "on the brink of a third intifada," and questioned whether the Obama administration's waning influence in the region might fuel the unrest.

But Brookings Institution fellow Khaled Elgindy told Al Jazeera America it's "too early to say this is the 'third intifada' because we don't yet see an organized political leadership that can coordinate the various Palestinian pieces of this and can articulate political demands."

The first and second intifadas -- Palestinian uprisings against the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip -- started in 1987 and 2000, respectively, and lasted several years.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Let's start with some facts. According the all of the US intelligence agencies Iran has not had a nuclear weapons program since at least 2003 and the recently negotiated agreement will prevent any nuclear weapon program in Iran for at least ten more years.

Currently there's only one Middle East nation that has nuclear weapons and that's Israel that is a rogue nuclear weapon nation not authorized to have nuclear weapons under the NPT and it represents the only creditable nuclear weapon nation in the Middle East today.

Next is the fact that, based upon history, the violence does not occur in Israel. In both the first and second intifadas the violence has occured in the Israeli occupied territories that Israel has refused to withdraw from in direct opposition to UN Security Council Resolution 242. Israel was not attacked in 1967 and has wrongfully been in the military occupation of the West Bank, E Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights since 1967. It's time for Israel to get it's mililtary out of the occupied territories so that peace between Israel and the Palestinians can be successful.

So when the statement "You incompetent f*cks have done enough." we need to understand who the "You" is really referring to and it's those that spend too much time listening to and watching Fox News.
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Let's start with some facts. According the all of the US intelligence agencies Iran has not had a nuclear weapons program since at least 2003 and the recently negotiated agreement will prevent any nuclear weapon program in Iran for at least ten more years.

Currently there's only one Middle East nation that has nuclear weapons and that's Israel that is a rogue nuclear weapon nation not authorized to have nuclear weapons under the NPT and it represents the only creditable nuclear weapon nation in the Middle East today.

Next is the fact that, based upon history, the violence does not occur in Israel. In both the first and second intifadas the violence has occured in the Israeli occupied territories that Israel has refused to withdraw from in direct opposition to UN Security Council Resolution 242. Israel was not attacked in 1967 and has wrongfully been in the military occupation of the West Bank, E Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights since 1967. It's time for Israel to get it's mililtary out of the occupied territories so that peace between Israel and the Palestinians can be successful.

So when the statement "You incompetent f*cks have done enough." we need to understand who the "You" is really referring to and it's those that spend too much time listening to and watching Fox News.
Sorry Shiva, Your facts are not accurate. You need to quit cruising the basement blogs for the "Facts" that you want to spread. I used to read your posts, but you are getting so far "Out There" that I really don't need to anymore.
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Currently there's only one Middle East nation that has nuclear weapons
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Let's start with some facts. According the all of the US intelligence agencies Iran has not had a nuclear weapons program since at least 2003 and the recently negotiated agreement will prevent any nuclear weapon program in Iran for at least ten more years.

Currently there's only one Middle East nation that has nuclear weapons and that's Israel that is a rogue nuclear weapon nation not authorized to have nuclear weapons under the NPT and it represents the only creditable nuclear weapon nation in the Middle East today.

Next is the fact that, based upon history, the violence does not occur in Israel. In both the first and second intifadas the violence has occured in the Israeli occupied territories that Israel has refused to withdraw from in direct opposition to UN Security Council Resolution 242. Israel was not attacked in 1967 and has wrongfully been in the military occupation of the West Bank, E Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights since 1967. It's time for Israel to get it's mililtary out of the occupied territories so that peace between Israel and the Palestinians can be successful.

So when the statement "You incompetent f*cks have done enough." we need to understand who the "You" is really referring to and it's those that spend too much time listening to and watching Fox News.
Sorry Shiva, Your facts are not accurate. You need to quit cruising the basement blogs for the "Facts" that you want to spread. I used to read your posts, but you are getting so far "Out There" that I really don't need to anymore.
... and which of my facts are wrong?

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U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb

WASHINGTON — Even as the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog said in a new report Friday that Iran had accelerated its uranium enrichment program, American intelligence analysts continue to believe that there is no hard evidence that Iran has decided to build a nuclear bomb.

Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/wo...bomb.html?_r=0

While all 16 US Intelligence Agencies have continuously agreed that Iran is not attempting to build a nuclear weapon there is a little confusion. In 2003 the IAEA was allowed complete access to not just the Iranian nuclear facilities but also to Iranian military installations and concluded that Iran did not have a nuclear weapon program at that time. It did not conclude that Iran had ever had a nuclear weapon program prior to 2003 because it found no evidence at all related to such a program. We don't know if Iran ever had a nuclear weapon program because we only have the IAEA report that none existed in 2003.

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According to a new report from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), nine nations — the United States, Russia, United Kingdom, France, China, India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea — possess approximately 16,300 nuclear weapons. in total.
Nine Nations Have Nukes ? Here's How Many Each Country Has - Business Insider

Of those nine nations five (United States, Russia, United Kingdom, France, China) are authorized to have nuclear weapons under the NPT and four (India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea) are not. Only a nation with nuclear weapons represents a threat of using nuclear weapons and Israel is the only nation in the Middle East to possess nuclear weapons in violation of the NPT.

There has been mixed success in dealing with nations that possess nuclear weapons not authorized by the NPT. In South Africa, that previously had nuclear weapons, economic sanctions eventually lead to South Africa giving up nuclear weapons and dismantling it.

In dealing with North Korea the economic sanctions have not been successful presumably because North Korea and the US are still technically at war and the US is a nuclear weapon nation. A promising sign is that North Korea wants to negotiate a peace agreement with the United States to formally end the Korean War which would remove the threat of a nuclear attack by the United States.

India, Pakistan, and Israel have not been effectively addressed by the United Nations and economic sanctions should be imposed in order to convince these nations that nuclear disarmament is in their best interests as well as the best interests of the entire world community of nations. Additionally the US and Russia, that have far too many nuclear weapons, need to resume negotiations to further reduce their respective nuclear arms stockpiles.

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Shortly following the tragic death of eight Palestinian workers after they were hit by an Israeli truck driver, a popular uprising erupted in the Occupied Territories on 9 December 1987 that lasted for seven years. A similar Palestinian revolt began on 29 September 2000 after Israeli forces killed seven Palestinian protesters at Jerusalem's Haram al-Sharif. Although there are parallels between these two uprisings, there are also contrasts in their methodology, available resources, and political context.

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During the first intifada, mass popular protests, including various methods of nonviolence, demonstrated the overriding ideology. Protests took the form of strikes, boycotts, and other civil disobedience techniques. High among the ideological and practical approaches was the boycott of Israeli products that had a national alternative. General business and school strikes were also a common way to show public discontent. Additionally, Palestinians refused to follow the timetable Israel used for daylight saving time, thereby demonstrating independence in a small way which was nevertheless very challenging to Israelis. Palestinians made appointments, opened schools, and followed business hours according to 'Palestinian time.' Soldiers often broke the watches of Palestinians which were not set on 'Israeli time.'

Violent actions were part of the protests during the first intifada, but were rather limited. Palestinians used stones'the 'weapon' most available to them'to attack soldiers and settlers. Settlers, who had no alternative but to use roads that went through or near Palestinian communities, became constant targets of Palestinian stone throwing. On the other hand, Israel was in control of all the areas, so Israeli soldiers could launch attacks from all sides.

The second intifada has utilized violent methods more extensively than the first. The Palestinians' use of firearms, especially against settlers and settlements near populated Palestinian communities, is perhaps one of the key differences between the two uprisings. Coupled with this development is Israel's unprecedented use of tanks, missiles, and attack helicopters to suppress Palestinian protesters. Not since the 1967 war has Israel used such heavy weapons against Palestinians.

Israel's redeployment of troops and the establishment of Palestinian autonomy in some areas of the Occupied Territories has also changed the character of the protests. The second intifada's leaders and the Palestinian Authority (PA) have worked to provide a sense of normalcy. Rather than call for general strikes as in the earlier uprising, they stress that life should go on as usual in the cities to show that soldiers at the perimeters cause the instability. Full Palestinian security control in Area A zones has largely restricted confrontations to the outer parts of the city limits. These autonomous zones also have served as a place to which Palestinians can retreat.
"The Two Intifadas: Differing Shades of Resistance," by Daoud Kuttab

As I stated accurately in both the first and second intifadas the violence occured in the Israeli occupied territories.

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(On June 5, 1967) the Israelis launched a hugely successful military campaign against its perceived enemies. The air forces of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq were all but destroyed on June 5th. By June 7th, many Egyptian tanks had been destroyed in the Sinai Desert and Israeli forces reached the Suez Canal. On the same day, the whole of the west bank of the Jordan River had been cleared of Jordanian forces. The Golan Heights were captured from Syria and Israeli forces moved 30 miles into Syria itself.
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Israel started the 6-Day War in 1967.

In response to the Israeli invasion and occupation of territory in 1967, with the support of the United States and all permanent members of the UN Security Council, UNSC Resolution 242 was passed:

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Resolution 242 (1967)
of 22 November 1967

The Security Council,

Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,

Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,

Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,

Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;


Affirms further the necessity

For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;

For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;

For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;

Requests the Secretary General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;

Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.”
S/RES/242 (1967) of 22 November 1967

Israel has consistantly opposed the peace criteria established by the UN Security Council 242 as it seeks to acquire territory it took control of by an act of war in 1967 including the Golan Heights, E Jerusalem, and the West Bank.

While the proposal in UNSC 242 does require what's necessary for peace in today's world we need to go one step further to ensure peace as recommened by the Palestinians. Instead of merely a demilitarized zone we need an active independent military force, such as NATO forces, to physically occupy the territorial borders between Israel and it's neighbors to ensure against any military actions between these countries at least for an interim period of time. Israel could be assured of a lasting and permanent peace if it accepts the conditions of UNSC 242 but it has to give up the occupied territories that it invaded in 1967 to achieve that peace.

That's the facts and it's those that refused to accept these documented and verifiable facts are the "You" in the statement, "You incompetent f*cks have done enough."
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The anti-Israel UN and all its lap monkeys may go to Hell with their anti-Israel resolutions, for one. They can keep on choosing human rights violators and other assorted ass holes for their committees, though. They are good at that.
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