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Old 09-06-2015, 03:39 PM
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We were actually following our long time foreign policy of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" because Assad, as a Russian ally, was our "enemy".
Some of that is true, but certain Democrats show that there is some major falsity in that, too...

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Pelosi Meets With Syrian Leader

[quote]Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, met here today with President Bashar al-Assad of Syria and discussed a variety of Middle Eastern issues, including the situations in Iraq and Lebanon and the prospect of peace talks between Syria and Israel.

Ms. Pelosi, the third-ranking elected official in the United States after the president and the vice president, is the most senior American politician to visit the country since relations between the United States and Syria faltered in 2003. Her visit has been criticized by President Bush and other administration officials, who have sought to isolate Syria diplomatically.[QUOTE]

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Hillary Clinton’s uncredible statement on Syria

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Hillary Clinton is known for making provocative statements, but few have generated such a firestorm as her comment last week that the president of Syria, Bashar al-Assad, may be a reformer. She made her remarks after “Face the Nation” host Bob Schieffer noted that Assad’s late father had killed 25,000 people during an uprising against his regime. Clinton responded by noting that the son was now in power and he was a “different leader.”

...Relations between the United States and Syria hit a low point in 2005 after the former prime minister of Lebanon, Rafik Hariri, was assassinated and the Bush administration withdrew the U.S. ambassador. But President Obama has sought to repair relations, believing a peace deal between Israel and Syria would help stabilize the region. Over congressional opposition, he returned the ambassador to Damascus.
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We are to blame say the Russians, ISIS, and American college professors...
And Fox News.
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Its good to see that you got your crystal ball outta hock.Care to peer in and see what it will take to get the EU countries out of the mess of dead babies washing up on their shores?
Same old Tree Troll, confronted with the facts you retreat into gibberish.

Care to speak to the fact that Obama has praised the overthrow of ME dictators by terrorist backed groups in light of the claim dictators are the glue that holds the region together? Oh sorry, I forgot all you can do is repeat Bush bad.
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If we had just left Saddam the brutal dictator who launched two major wars of aggression against his neighbors and routinely slaughtered his own people the ME would have been "stable." The same critics of US foreign policy for making alliances with dictators contradict their policy prescription when it provides an opportunity to condemn Bush.

Obama's precipitous withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan as well as his stated intention of pivoting US foreign policy focus to Asia along with military resources created a void where US influence had formerly been. The Muslim brotherhood backed by Russia rushed in to fill the void created by Obama's abdication of the US leadership role. Obama even foolishly praised the Arab spring preferring the romantic fantasy of democracy flowering to the reality of the Muslim brotherhood on the march.

If dictators are the elixir of stability for the ME, please explain why Obama spoke in such glowing terms about the fall of dictators in the Arab spring and leading from his behind committed the US military to aid Al Qaeda affiliates to overthrow the Libyan dictator. While you are at it tell us why Obama has consistently condemned the dictatorial glue holding Syria together.

NAH! You do what you usually do, you peered into you crystal ball and divined that

“If we had just left Saddam the brutal dictator who launched two major wars of aggression against his. “

Then you took these shiny objects such as waved them around while chanting in tongues.

“If we had just left Saddam the brutal dictator who launched two major wars of aggression against his “

“The Muslim brotherhood backed by Russia rushed in to fill the void “

“If dictators are the elixir of stability for the ME, please explain why Obama spoke in such glowing terms about the fall of dictators “

Do you have any voodoo rattles while you’re peering into the crystal ball while speaking in tongues?
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NAH! You do what you usually do, you peered into you crystal ball and divined that

“If we had just left Saddam the brutal dictator who launched two major wars of aggression against his. “

Then you took these shiny objects such as waved them around while chanting in tongues.

“If we had just left Saddam the brutal dictator who launched two major wars of aggression against his “

“The Muslim brotherhood backed by Russia rushed in to fill the void “

“If dictators are the elixir of stability for the ME, please explain why Obama spoke in such glowing terms about the fall of dictators “

Do you have any voodoo rattles while you’re peering into the crystal ball while speaking in tongues?
You started the thread with speculation that the coalition's invasion of Iraq might be responsible for the current refugee crisis followed by yammering about dictators being the glue for ME stability. But per usual when fact based analysis exposes the vapid speculation for what it is, partisan invective, you lapse into your fantasy rhetoric to portray yourself in grandiose terms, just like Obama.

You have wasted multiple comment with no attempt to answer the simple question of why if dictators are the glue that hold the ME together Obama's foreign policy supporting the Arab spring and his military intervention on behalf of the terrorist backed rebels in Libya is not far more responsible for the chaos in the ME today which has resulted in the current refugee crisis. It is easy to see that once the partisan blame Bush talking points are exposed as being like the blame the video for Benghazi lie, you are lost.
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You started the thread with speculation that the coalition's invasion of Iraq might be responsible for the current refugee crisis followed by yammering about dictators being the glue for ME stability. But per usual when fact based analysis exposes the vapid speculation for what it is, partisan invective, you lapse into your fantasy rhetoric to portray yourself in grandiose terms, just like Obama.

You have wasted multiple comment with no attempt to answer the simple question of why if dictators are the glue that hold the ME together Obama's foreign policy supporting the Arab spring and his military intervention on behalf of the terrorist backed rebels in Libya is not far more responsible for the chaos in the ME today which has resulted in the current refugee crisis. It is easy to see that once the partisan blame Bush talking points are exposed as being like the blame the video for Benghazi lie, you are lost.
It is not speculation, it’s fact.As a matter of fact george the first had a hand in it as well. In February 1991 when we pushed saddam outta Kuwait Iraqis rose up in an attempt at overthrowing him.To shorten a long story.George one wanted another but friendly dictator in place.It resulted in tens of thousands of Iraqi lives lost, and the Intifada smashed.

Good read.If you can pull yourself away from you daily brainwashing session long enough you outta read it.
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It is not speculation, it’s fact.As a matter of fact george the first had a hand in it as well. In February 1991 when we pushed saddam outta Kuwait Iraqis rose up in an attempt at overthrowing him.To shorten a long story.George one wanted another but friendly dictator in place.It resulted in tens of thousands of Iraqi lives lost, and the Intifada smashed.
Wrong!...

George41 (to many peoples' consternation) ONLY did what the UN resolution asked...to remove Saddam from Kuwait....and THAT WAS IT...

It was the UNITED NATIONS that (stupidly IMO) let Saddam's reign live on...in the MISGUIDED HOPE that Iraq, itself, would rise and remove him...It had ZERO to do with Bush41 wanting a "friendly dictator"...Clear Leftist bullsh*t...

"Let's close him off and let Iraq take care of it internally!" cried the UN...

How'd THAT work out?...
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I put some of the blame on the Mideast nations surrounding Syria and Iraq that aren't doing enough to help in this current refugee crisis. Us evil westerners are the ones who always open our hearts and our borders to those seeking asylum from war.
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I put some of the blame on the Mideast nations surrounding Syria and Iraq that aren't doing enough to help in this current refugee crisis. Us evil westerners are the ones who always open our hearts and our borders to those seeking asylum from war.
This and the many other reasons ISIS and Terrorism has to be stopped and dismantled to avoid the madness, lack of humanity and displacement of entire populations.

And where is this useless thing we call the UN?
Also in this movement of populations might be some who want to help spread their terror.

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