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Gorbachev NYT Op-Ed: Russia Never Wanted a War

Mikhail Gorbachev is the former president of the Soviet Union. This article was translated by Pavel Palazhchenko from the Russian.

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Russia Never Wanted a War

By MIKHAIL GORBACHEV
Published: August 19, 2008

THE acute phase of the crisis provoked by the Georgian forces’ assault on Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, is now behind us. But how can one erase from memory the horrifying scenes of the nighttime rocket attack on a peaceful town, the razing of entire city blocks, the deaths of people taking cover in basements, the destruction of ancient monuments and ancestral graves?

Russia did not want this crisis. The Russian leadership is in a strong enough position domestically; it did not need a little victorious war. Russia was dragged into the fray by the recklessness of the Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili. He would not have dared to attack without outside support. Once he did, Russia could not afford inaction.

The decision by the Russian president, Dmitri Medvedev, to now cease hostilities was the right move by a responsible leader. The Russian president acted calmly, confidently and firmly. Anyone who expected confusion in Moscow was disappointed.

The planners of this campaign clearly wanted to make sure that, whatever the outcome, Russia would be blamed for worsening the situation. The West then mounted a propaganda attack against Russia, with the American news media leading the way.

The news coverage has been far from fair and balanced, especially during the first days of the crisis. Tskhinvali was in smoking ruins and thousands of people were fleeing — before any Russian troops arrived. Yet Russia was already being accused of aggression; news reports were often an embarrassing recitation of the Georgian leader’s deceptive statements.

It is still not quite clear whether the West was aware of Mr. Saakashvili’s plans to invade South Ossetia, and this is a serious matter. What is clear is that Western assistance in training Georgian troops and shipping large supplies of arms had been pushing the region toward war rather than peace.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/op...in&oref=slogin


When I find I have not seriously considered the other side of an issue I take the time, when a well spoken and knowledgeable spokesperson appears, to examine their presentation. I will do so at various other times during the life of that story. I originally took my cue from the American media but now I am seriously thinking about Gorbachev's statement.

I hope you will, too.

Not that you should or shouldn't change your mind but so that these statements of his might help inform your opinions AFTER you determine how much credence to give him.

Even though he is well respected and was lauded for helping bring the Soviet Union to an end, he IS Russian.
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Gorbachev NYT Op-Ed: Russia Never Wanted a War

Mikhail Gorbachev is the former president of the Soviet Union. This article was translated by Pavel Palazhchenko from the Russian.



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/op...in&oref=slogin


When I find I have not seriously considered the other side of an issue I take the time, when a well spoken and knowledgeable spokesperson appears, to examine their presentation. I will do so at various other times during the life of that story. I originally took my cue from the American media but now I am seriously thinking about Gorbachev's statement.

I hope you will, too.

Not that you should or shouldn't change your mind but so that these statements of his might help inform your opinions AFTER you determine how much credence to give him.

Even though he is well respected and was lauded for helping bring the Soviet Union to an end, he IS Russian.
Gorby is one of the greatest spinmeisters in the history of mankind. He is the Albert Einstein of spin. Anything he writes should be analyzed VERY carefully before buying into it.
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Gorby is one of the greatest spinmeisters in the history of mankind. He is the Albert Einstein of spin. Anything he writes should be analyzed VERY carefully before buying into it.
As time goes by I am becoming increasingly interested in learning how people think and weigh matters before making decisions.

You make a good point. I would not stop at Gorbachev's word as final say, just as I haven't stopped at our media and govt. and both candidate's pronouncements as representing the complete story of what's going on.

In terms of my own decision making process, I believe I have time before things get to the point where I need to have a position on which I might stand and use as a soapbox. Hopefully before that time comes I will have a chance to consider other points of view.

FWIW, I know that before joining the Bush administration, Condoleeza Rice was a Soviet expert. On the other side of the US partisan political divide, I know that Zbigniew Brzezinski advises Obama and even though he seems not to have been of help to the junior Senator at the start of the Georgian-Russian war and though he was and remains God-awful when considering the threat of Islamic expansion, he was also a Soviet expert during and before his joining the Carter administration.

So, I believe the current hard line is probably the best one to use in dealing with the Russians. But enough has changed from the Cold War days until now to make a wholesale transplant of those previous attitudes and policies into the situation today to seem foolhardy. And I hope those in charge recognize that the old ways may OR MAY NOT necessarily be the most productive way of dealing with Russia.

I have no concrete way of substantiating this, but I believe the Soviet people and their leaders understood they were the bad guys. And that realization ate at them. When Reagan called them the Evil Empire it must have struck a chord which never stopped reverberating until the wall came down. It was right and proper to engage them and their evil in a confrontational manner. In my opinion, they knew Reagan had them pegged.

However, today, the Russian people are full of confidence and optimism because they have strong, vibrant but menacing leadership which affords the people enough freedom and enough capitalism that they are able to live their lives somewhat comfortably and, for some, somewhat opulently. Their feelings of insecurity at their borders, with no natural boundaries to stop would be invaders, has to be respected or at least well understood by our foreign policy people.

I am all for our creating a missile shield in Eastern Europe (Poland) to guard against rogue nations (Iran) attacking any of our allies in that region. But they would be deployed only 100 miles from the Russian border IIRC, and we'd do well to recall JFK's reaction when Soviet OFFENSIVE missiles were set up in Cuba in 1962. Or we should try to think of how we would react to Russian "defensive" missiles being deployed in Mexico or Canada or in Siberia, north of the Kamchatka Peninsula near the Bering Sea and within distance of our oil facilities in Alaska.

The Russians have promised a non-diplomatic response to our having signed the agreement yesterday with Poland to house those 10 missiles in a football pitch sized field. The missiles are not capable of defending against Russian missiles and they are not aimed at Russia but Russia feels that this encroachment requires a non-diplomatic response.

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Moscow promises response to U.S. missile deal

By Gabriela Baczynska and David Alexander Wed Aug 20, 3:48 PM ET

WARSAW (Reuters) - The United States and Poland signed a deal on Wednesday to station parts of a U.S. missile defense shield on Polish soil, drawing a sharp response from Moscow.

The deal is seen as certain to aggravate tensions between Russia and the West already strained by Moscow's military intervention in Georgia.

The 10 interceptor rockets in Poland, along with a radar complex in the Czech Republic, will form the European part of a global system Washington says will be able to shoot down missiles from "rogue" states or groups such as al-Qaeda.

"This is an agreement that will establish a missile defense site here in Poland that will help us to deal with ... long range missiles ... from countries like Iran or North Korea," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who signed the agreement with Poland's Radoslaw Sikorski, told reporters.

Despite U.S. assurances to the contrary, Russia sees the ballistic missile shield as a threat to its own security and some Russian politicians and generals have said Poland must be prepared for a preventive attack on the site in the future.

Washington has dismissed this threat as empty rhetoric. NATO said it was unacceptable.

The Foreign Ministry in Moscow said on Wednesday: "Russia in this case will have to react and not only through diplomatic protests."

Moscow promises response to U.S. missile deal - Yahoo! News
Cool heads and experienced hands need to be in charge of this or else we could be on the road to a serious confrontation.
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IMO, our plans to build a missile shield across E. Europe may very well at the heart of this action by Russia. It wouldn't surprise me if there isn't a condition placed on their withdrawal that restricts our ability to build this shield.

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