NEW YORK (AP) -- A man who is already crusading against ladies' nights in bars has sued Columbia University, saying its women's studies program is unconstitutional.

Attorney Roy Den Hollander filed the lawsuit Monday in federal court in New York.

The lawsuit claims the college program is discriminatory because there's no comparable men's program. It says the university uses government aid to promote a religious belief system known as feminism.

The suit seeks a men's program or an end to the women's program.

A Columbia University spokesman says he has no comment.

Hollander last year sued over ladies' nights at Manhattan nightclubs. Nightclub attorneys call the pending lawsuit frivolous.

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OK, suing over "Lady's Night" is stupid, but the suit about "Women's Studies" just might get some traction. I'm not supporting the idea that every single sub-group of people in the country needs it's own college program, but the fact that there is a "Women's Studies" program, but no "Men's Studies" is clearly discriminatory. OTH, given the differences between men and women, there just may be a valid argument for the need for a college course for men to try and understand women .

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Ecclesiastes 10:2--"A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left."

1) "Feminism" is not a "religion".

2) WHERE is the basis for claiming it's illegal discrimination?
If we pointed to HIRING a man and never a woman, we have a LAW AGAINST that.
If we pointed to RENTING to men over women, we have a LAW against that.
Where the heck is the law that says that college STUDY material must be equivalent???
This guy is a bottom-feeding lawyer. The type that give lawyers a "bad name".

3) He actually fought against "Lady's Night"???
A night designed to get women into the bars, where they can be served alcohol, which might make them more "agreeable" to members of the opposite sex...

And this jerkoff is just thinking about what his drink cost compared to the woman's drink...

I'm surprised they don't have a men's studies program at Columbia - there is one here...I know because Jon teaches it!

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He has a point, but my response would be "Don't you have anything productive to do today?...

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I don't think he has any point.
He's proving himself a nitwit when he calls feminism a "religion". It does not qualify as a "religion" under any legal definition of "religion".
(And honestly? It would be scary to think "feminism" could get "first amendment freedom of religion" protections if it did qualify.)

The quote you gave says "No person..."
What person is being discriminated against here?
Is he being discriminated against because MALES have no equivalent to "women's studies"?
It's like trying to declare a class action law-suit when there are no real victims...

The quote you give says "...excluded from participation in..."
How is any "person" being "excluded" from "participation"?

Furthermore, where does this route take us?
Do we demand that medical universities have male equivalents of "OBGYN's"?

I's have to see if it's a turn of phrase or a serious accusation...

I'm sure you'd agree that there are Star trek fans who are more intimate with their idols than people in actual religions...I don't think you'd hem-and-haw if someone said "I worship at the alter of Angelina Jolie."...It all depends on whether or not it's stated as legitimate...

Yes...Go read the history of Title IX...schools have been forced to either create equitable female sports industries or remove current men's sports industries based solely on the fact that both must be available or neither...

It's semantic...I agree it's ludicrous...

it's the part AFTER that..."be denied benefits of"...There's no men's studies program...

It's a question need...If there was a issue that only dealt with men (Maybe prostate issues?), I'm sure medical universities would cover them...

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Good point.
It could be just something he could have said to "the press" to stir up attention.



I'm going to politely ask you to stop going through my internet cache...
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But then you can point to an actual person.
You can point to a woman who was "discriminated against" cause she couldn't play baseball when there was only a "men's" team.
The legitimacy of the "sports" application is another discussion entirely where I have mixed feelings, but the key point here is that there is no "person" victim.





It may be a semantical reply (on this point), but just cause a man doesn't get the "benefit" that a woman does over a particular study topic doesn't mean there is discrimination.


I just had a shudder when my knee-jerk reaction was to think about typing "I want my ovaries studied, dammit!"

That's what I'm thinking...

And you know darn well that there are plenty of people who ARE "religious" in their worshipping of something even though it's not an actual religion...How many times has someone said "I eat, sleep, drink (topic) every day"?...

I said "Angellina Jolie", not "Clay Aiken"...

I imagine it would take no more than a guy saying "You have a women's studies program...so I would like to enroll in your mens' studies program...What?...You don't have one?"...

Doesn't mean that there isn't either...case by case...

Now where's my 10-foot pole at?...

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The only way it would be discrimination is if they wouldn't allow men to take women's studies classes...and there are always men in those classes.

It's EQUAL TREATMENT FOR ALL, not equal class title wording. They don't have to have a men studies program - they only have to allow both men and women to take the women's studies programs equally.

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Nope...

As per Title IX, the relevant exclusionary words are "be denied benifits of"...

As dumb as it sounds, there's legitimacy in the fact that there are no "mens' studies" available...

Now what would be considered "men's studies"?...I don't know...

Obama told me it's above my pay grade...

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