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In a unanimous decision, The Supreme Court Friday struck down as unconstitutional the nation’s contentious century-old law against assisted suicide.

The historic ruling opens the door to physician-assisted suicide for consenting, severely ill adults who want to control the method, timing and circumstances of their death.

In the landmark 9-0 decision, the high court ruled that the Criminal Code provision against aiding and abetting someone to commit suicide deprives people suffering from grievous and irremediable medical conditions the right to life, liberty and security of the person as guaranteed under the Charter.

The court’s ruling limits physician-assisted suicides to “a competent adult person who clearly consents to the termination of life and has a grievous and irremediable medical condition, including an illness, disease or disability, that causes enduring suffering that is intolerable to the individual in the circumstances of his or her condition.”

Within those parameters, the court said the nature of the suffering includes either physical or psychological pain. The person’s condition need not be terminal.

Doctors, meanwhile, cannot be compelled to assist someone in suicide, the court stressed.
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This is one area that fascinates me.
I believe in a right to die, with established parameters. Like are outlined above.
I don't understand how some can argue against government intrusion into our lives, but then oppose doctor assisted suicide in any case.
Note: I'm not talking about acknowledging SOME situations cross a line.
I am talking about how some reject ANY possibility of legal doctor assisted suicide for ANY situation.
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I guess if you are cowardly enough to commit suicide, for crying out load at least have enough brass to do it yourself.
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You ever watched someone die with cancer eating through their throat? Or how bout brain cancer causing ones brain to literally explode? Thought not, you might change your tune if you had.
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You ever watched someone die with cancer eating through their throat? Or how bout brain cancer causing ones brain to literally explode? Thought not, you might change your tune if you had.
Throat, no. Lungs, yes. Pancreas, yes. Bone marrow and liver, yes. I stand by my original tune 100%.
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I guess if you are cowardly enough to commit suicide, for crying out load at least have enough brass to do it yourself.
If a person is terminal with an identified life expectancy (and in pain), how do you see suicide as "cowardly" and not simply pragmatic?


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You ever watched someone die with cancer eating through their throat? Or how bout brain cancer causing ones brain to literally explode? Thought not, you might change your tune if you had.
In discussions on this topic, you can typically tell the people who have not gone through that experience.
When they come in like lurch just did? They don't have that experience but they want to pass judgment on others for it anyways...
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I guess if you are cowardly enough to commit suicide, for crying out load at least have enough brass to do it yourself.
People with no terminal illness issues and who commit suicide because they feel "hopeless" are a different breed from people who choose to end a pain that will kill them in a slow and agonizing way.
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If a person is terminal with an identified life expectancy (and in pain), how do you see suicide as "cowardly" and not simply pragmatic?
I find choosing to kill yourself vs. facing what life has given you and fighting to extend that life as cowardly. Giving up/quiting is a cowardly action. Others may disagree, to each his own.

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When they come in like lurch just did? They don't have that experience but they want to pass judgment on others for it anyways...
Obvously from my second post you are very wrong. I have watched people close to me die of lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, leukemia and cancer of the liver. None of them quit fighting and they all extended their life beyond all doctors expections. So don't you dare tell me I don't have the experience.
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People with no terminal illness issues and who commit suicide because they feel "hopeless" are a different breed from people who choose to end a pain that will kill them in a slow and agonizing way.
Agreed, two different breeds of coward.
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I find choosing to kill yourself vs. facing what life has given you and fighting to extend that life as cowardly. Giving up/quiting is a cowardly action. Others may disagree, to each his own.
You're not really addressing the point.
How do you reject a recognition that an individual choice of deciding to die is simply pragmatic when a person is terminal with an identified life expectancy (and in pain)?

It's basically about evaluating quality of life.

And choosing to suffer through pain is not "brave".
It's interesting to note that as a society we often consider facing death as being "brave", yet some have a double-standard that a person choosing to evaluate (and choose) death is "cowardly".
A person choosing to die is not an easy decision.


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Obvously from my second post you are very wrong. I have watched people close to me die of lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, leukemia and cancer of the liver. None of them quit fighting and they all extended their life beyond all doctors expections. So don't you dare tell me I don't have the experience.
How many were experiencing pain which could not be properly managed?
Cause in my experience, that's the definitive point of this. If a person is dying from cancer but can manage their pain, they will often choose life. That's habitually a no-brainer.

For those experiencing pain which cannot be managed. Possibly bed ridden. And facing time perpetuating that condition until death finally occurs.
THAT is typically the situation where people consider death.


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People with no terminal illness issues and who commit suicide because they feel "hopeless" are a different breed from people who choose to end a pain that will kill them in a slow and agonizing way.
I would agree whole-heartedly with that.
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Australian State Lawmakers to Vote on Assisted Dying
October 28, 2017 - Australian lawmakers in the state of Victoria will debate a bill to allow medically assisted dying, a highly controversial issue fraught with arguments over who, if anyone, should be able to decide the timing of his or her own death.
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Victoria's lower house of parliament passed legislation October 20 that would allow what the bill calls "voluntary assisted dying." The 47-37 vote came after contentious debate that lasted more than 24 hours. Once the bill was passed, Victoria Premier Daniel Andrews told reporters he was "very proud" of the vote. "We have taken a very big step towards giving many, many Victorians the dignity and compassion they have been denied for far too long," Andrews said.


Members of parliament from the Australian state of Victoria participate in a marathon sitting to discuss a euthanasia bill in Melbourne, Australia

The vote in the upper house, the 40-member Legislative Council, is also expected to be close. Australian reports said 19 members of the upper house supported the bill, 11 were thought to oppose it, and the votes of the remaining 10 were uncertain. Those who oppose assisted dying — including the Roman Catholic Church, as well as the Melbourne Anglican Diocese, in the area affected by next week's vote — urge the medical community to concentrate on developing better palliative care. The term means making a patient as comfortable as possible when an illness cannot be cured.

Setting boundaries

Five nations have legalized assisted dying: Belgium, Canada, Columbia, Luxembourg and the Netherlands. Assisted death usually involves issuance of prescription for drugs that will end life at the time and place of the patient's choosing. Most patients eligible for it are terminally ill and near death. But patients in other circumstances have argued that they, too, should be able to choose assisted dying, including psychiatric patients and elderly people in good health who feel that they have completed their lives and are ready to go.


Campaigners in support of assisted dying protest outside the Houses of Parliament in central London, Sept. 11, 2015. The House of Commons rejected an assisted-dying bill that year, and the practice remains illegal today in Britain.

In 2014, Belgium became the first nation to expand access to assisted dying to include terminally ill children, although not those with psychiatric disorders. It does allow mentally ill adults access to that option, although not all doctors are keen on granting it. The Associated Press reported that, in Belgium, the mental illnesses most common among people who request euthanasia are depression, personality disorder and Asperger's syndrome. Belgians with dementia can also request the medications used for assisted dying. In addition to the countries that allow assisted dying, which is defined as hastening the process for a patient who is already dying, assisted suicide — death for someone who is not terminally ill — is legal in Switzerland, Germany, Japan, Canada, and six U.S. states plus Washington, D.C.

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