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How can anyone if you want to be serious. I mean the right is already planning corporate welfare handouts, Farm subsidies and oil tax breaks. Corporate tax breaks that do nothing but make the rich richer.

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Old 11-05-2014, 11:23 PM
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As a libertarian "It's not my circus, not my monkey" so this is going to be interesting to watch for the next two years.
But you say that as a progressive Libertarian, which is something I fail to grasp.
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This is the part where the right pigeon holes you and calls you a liar.
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How can a ridiculous creed produce good leadership?
This statement is equally applicable to Democrats and Republicans.
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But you say that as a progressive Libertarian, which is something I fail to grasp.
As I've pointed out I differentiate myself from the "social-conservative/racist/anarchist libertarianians" that most are familiar with.

My political ideology stems from the early "Classical Liberal" roots that America was founded upon. First and foremost my political ideology rests on the "Inalienable (Natural) Rights" of the Person where foremost amongst these is the "Right of Liberty" (root of the word libertarian) which is the "Freedom to Exercise our Inalienable Rights" as a person. Similar to the founders of America my political philosophy is highly "progressive" when it comes to both the understanding and advancement of the "Inalienable (Natural) Rights" of the person and complaince with the US Constitution.

What annoys the Republicans, expecially those associated with the Tea Party movement, is that I'm not the "social-conservative/racist/anarchist libertarianians" that they would like to associate themselves with.
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This is the part where the right pigeon holes you and calls you a liar.
It makes about as much sense as people who say Obama is not their president, eh?
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As I've pointed out I differentiate myself from the "social-conservative/racist/anarchist libertarianians" that most are familiar with.

My political ideology stems from the early "Classical Liberal" roots that America was founded upon. First and foremost my political ideology rests on the "Inalienable (Natural) Rights" of the Person where foremost amongst these is the "Right of Liberty" (root of the word libertarian) which is the "Freedom to Exercise our Inalienable Rights" as a person. Similar to the founders of America my political philosophy is highly "progressive" when it comes to both the understanding and advancement of the "Inalienable (Natural) Rights" of the person and complaince with the US Constitution.

What annoys the Republicans, expecially those associated with the Tea Party movement, is that I'm not the "social-conservative/racist/anarchist libertarianians" that they would like to associate themselves with.
Your political philosophy aligns perfectly with Obama's fundamental transformation a product of the radical Left. Inalienable "rights" in this scheme are an ever expanding Christmas list of goodies to be provided by the Federal government plundering the earnings of A to give a few crumbs to B after the cronies and bureaucrats take their cut off the top.
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you just make it up as you go huh? Isn't the right providing a Christmas list to corporations and big oil?
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The monkey has lost his protection from a Senate blocking legislation he doesn’t like and rigging the process to prevent amendment's on bills they do vote on. Obama can no longer just rely on the Senate as a firewall to avoid acting like a President and not a dictator.

Obama has been President for the past 6 years but takes to the podium declaring he is open to finding out what Republicans want. The President could not be bothered to engage with Republicans when they controlled just the House, Obama signaled today the mid term beating for Democrats didn't change his outlook at all.
Obama met with the GOP Senate leaders twice in 6 years. Obviously he is not interested in working with them.

Fosdick has declared he heard the people on Tuesday. And then said he will continue to follow his own path.

SHIVATD has claimed a position of no responsibility. It is what the libertarians always do. Their candidates never seem to run to win, but to make statements. Often such political activism has enough impact to tilt the election away from what the majority would have wanted, but not always in the direction favored.

They then smugly sit back and carp about the resulting discord and dissatisfaction. Certain in their self elevation we poor misguided souls must then hear from them, advice on how it should be done.
And call us Monkeys.
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