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Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee says he will leave the GOP if Republicans abandon their ardent opposition to gay marriage and abortion.

Appearing on the American Family Association’s radio show this week, Huckabee was discussing gay marriage and said: “If the Republicans want to lose guys like me — and a whole bunch of still God-fearing Bible-believing people — go ahead and just abdicate on this issue, and why you’re at it, go ahead and say abortion doesn’t matter, either.”
Huckabee Threatens To Leave GOP Over Gay Marriage, Abortion

Both same-sex marriage and abortion are issues of Constitutional protections for the person provided for the the 14th Amendment so apparently Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee is apparently will leave the GOP if it ever stands behind the US Constitution over these two issues.

That is the strange thing about the GOP. They repeatedly state that they support the US Constitution.... unless, pf course, the issue is the Protected Rights of the Person and then they abandon support for the Constitution completely.

When it comes to issues of Constitutionality the apparent position of Huckabee is, "I was for it and now I'm against it."
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Huckabee Threatens To Leave GOP Over Gay Marriage, Abortion

Both same-sex marriage and abortion are issues of Constitutional protections for the person provided for the the 14th Amendment so apparently Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee is apparently will leave the GOP if it ever stands behind the US Constitution over these two issues.

That is the strange thing about the GOP. They repeatedly state that they support the US Constitution.... unless, pf course, the issue is the Protected Rights of the Person and then they abandon support for the Constitution completely.

When it comes to issues of Constitutionality the apparent position of Huckabee is, "I was for it and now I'm against it."
would be one of the best things ever happened to the GOP imho
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The article phrasing was strange to me. I knew that Republicans were backing away from "gay marriage", but abortion was an issue I figured they would have on their platform forever...
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Appearing on the American Family Association’s radio show this week, Huckabee was discussing gay marriage and said: “If the Republicans want to lose guys like me — and a whole bunch of still God-fearing Bible-believing people — go ahead and just abdicate on this issue, and why you’re at it, go ahead and say abortion doesn’t matter, either.”
Okay. That makes more sense...


Regardless, Huckabee's got blinders on if he refuses to see the writing on the wall regarding gay marriage.
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“I am utterly exasperated with Republicans and the so-called leadership of the Republicans who have abdicated on this issue when, if they continue this direction they guarantee they’re gonna lose every election in the future,” Huckabee said. “Guarantee it.”
I don't think Huckabee gets that the right is fighting an image problem.
Not saying that Dems don't have their own issues, but if Obama is any indication there is only so much ground one can gain by shaking your finger at somebody else...
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For the GOP to appeal to younger voters, we do not have to agree on every issue, but we do need
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Already, there is a generational difference within the conservative movement about issues involving
the treatment and the rights of gays — and for many younger voters, these issues are a gateway
into whether the Party is a place they want to be.
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Today, 61% of Republicans and Republican leaners under 30 favor same-sex marriage while just 35% oppose it. By contrast, just 27% of Republicans ages 50 and older favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry.
Young Republicans favor same-sex marriage | Pew Research Center

The right used to have the capability to garner votes by pushing the "gay" button.
No longer. And Huckabee is stuck in the past...
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I don't think Huckabee gets that the right is fighting an image problem.
It isn't just an "image" problem but instead it's an actual problem where the GOP is willing to literally throw the US Constitution under the bus when it comes to it's political agenda. Nothing typllfies this more than the opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage but it's also indicated by it's nefarious (Jim Crow) voting laws that disenfranchise poor and minority US citizens and it's anti-immigration policies that effectively target Hispanics far more so than any other demographic group.
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It isn't just an "image" problem but instead it's an actual problem where the GOP is willing to literally throw the US Constitution under the bus when it comes to it's political agenda. Nothing typllfies this more than the opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage but it's also indicated by it's nefarious (Jim Crow) voting laws that disenfranchise poor and minority US citizens and it's anti-immigration policies that effectively target Hispanics far more so than any other demographic group.
marriage I agree but when it comes to abortion some of us would grit our teeth and vote for huckabee if we thought it would help. It was decided on a privacy issue and should instead be revisited on the issue. life and the right of it or not.
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would be one of the best things ever happened to the GOP imho

I think it would behoove gov Huckabee to start a third/fourth? branch of the republican party.Thatta showem.
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It seems that the numbers are certainly against Huckabee when it comes to these issues. But don't fool yourselves, at the grass roots level, away from the media and pols, there is a great number of Non-Atheist's, that have strong belief's, that are in line with Huckabee.
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I think it would behoove gov Huckabee to start a third/fourth? branch of the republican party.Thatta showem.
he may gain a lot of followers
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I don't much care what the Huckster does but has anyone notices his stomach stapling must have slipped because he is getting fat again.
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marriage I agree but when it comes to abortion some of us would grit our teeth and vote for huckabee if we thought it would help. It was decided on a privacy issue and should instead be revisited on the issue. life and the right of it or not.
Many, predominately Republicans, refer to the Roe v Wade decision as simply being based upon the "right of privacy" but that's apparently because they've never taken the time to read the decision. The actual decision refers to the 9th Amendment (Right of Self of the Woman) and hinged upon the establishment of "personhood" that historically was only established at birth (not disputed by either side of the issue) as only "persons" have any Rights under the US Constitution. Roe v Wade was a decision protecting the Rights of the Person, the woman, under the US Constitution. There are no Constitutional protections (e.g. a Right to Life) for the preborn.

I've often asked anti-abortionists to cite where the Roe v Wade decision errors related to the US Constitution and legal precedent. I would do that again. You find any error in the historical, legal and Constitutional arguments in that decision. The only thing I'd ask is that you create a new thread on it (to avoid taking this thread off topic) and then invite me to participate by PM.

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Of note the only part of that decision that isn't supported by a conservative interpretation of the US Constitution was the protection of the viable fetus based upon "potential personhood" as that was a very "progressive" argument (that I agree with) as without this progressive interpretation all abortion restrictions would have been struck down as unconstitutional. I believe the "potential personhood" argument by the Supreme Court was a justifiable progressive interpretation in extending pragmatic protections to a "non-person" based upon a compelling argument that otherwise would not have had any protections under the law.
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