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CB is handing it to you Salem. I like how you brought up the Koch Bros. Did you know that Donald Sterling gave the NAACP millions. You should trash them too.
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I'm totally against partial birth abortion but I have never heard Obama say he was for it. I never heard Bush jr or Al Gore mention it in their campaigns tho each professed to be christian.
just my take.
everything that goes wrong in the world or every opinion one may abhor is not obama's fault.
Obama fought for after birth abortion on the Illinois senate floor when he was there. he fought and successfully stopped a bill that made post birth abortion illegal. It passed after he left the senate.
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Old 10-11-2014, 11:10 AM
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In a Washington Post editorial yesterday there was a response from one of Huckabee's staff to clarify his stance and provide some insight.

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I asked two separate Huckabee advisers what he actually wanted Republicans to do. Neither one could explain what that meant in concrete terms. Spokeswoman Alice Stewart replied, “He wants GOP leaders to stand firm in support of life and traditional marriage.” And she provided this statement from Huckabee: “”If establishment Republicans continue to capitulate on the issues of abortion and gay marriage, and if the party accepts the changes as inevitable, we will lose. The heart of the Republican party includes protecting the sanctity of life and traditional marriage, the party needs to publicly make the case for these issues.” Obviously he is simply repeating himself without explaining what can be done to re-establish gay marriage bans, undo public referenda and re-set the gay marriage debate to 1999, before the first state recognized gay marriage.
Snake oil salesmen vs. gay marriage reality - The Washington Post

That's a fine statement and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it on the surface.

Let us remember some simple facts.

First of all recognizing same-sex marriage in no way disparages the values "traditional" marriage. It's wonderful that people continue to advocate the wonderful aspects of traditional marriage. What Huckabee apparently doesn't understand is that you can be for "traditional marriage" without being opposed to same-sex marriage.

I love Harley Davidson motorcycle but that doesn't imply that I'm opposed to Hondas. Embracing one thing doesn't imply an opposition to something else. A person can embrace traditional marriage (I do and I've been llving in a traditional marriage for 30-years) without opposing same-sex marriage. If two gays or lesbians want to get married it doesn't affect my "traditional" marriage one iota.

When it comes to the traditional advocacy for life there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. That isn't the problem. The problem is nefarious laws that Republicans use to deny the Constitutional Right of a Woman to have an abortion.

For example Texas recently passed a law where it's purpose was to close abortion clinics. They "falsely" claim it's about protecting the woman but they're bald face liars. In it they require an "abortion" doctor to have admission privileges at the local hospital knowing that the hospital won't grant those privileges. If the law was about the "woman" it would have also mandated that the hospital grant admission privileges for the abortion doctors. Republicans didn't want that because it wouldn't have resulted in the closure of most of the abortion clinics in Texas.

A very religious person with deep moral convictions can easily be pro-life and pro-choice. My mother, an old school Republican, expressed that exact sentiment to me. She flat out opposes abortion but she also opposes the government telling a woman what she can and can't do. As far as my mother is concerned the government dictating the abortion laws is a greater violation of moral principles than a woman having an abortion.

Once again we return to the fundamental principle that being "for something" doesn't equate to being "against" something. A person can be the greatest "pro-life" advocate in the world without being an "anti-abortionist" opposed to the Constitutionally established Right of the Woman to have an abortion.

We're Americans and we're allowed to believe what we believe and advocate what we advocate but as Americans we must do so within the contraints imposed by the US Constitution that protects the Rights of all Americans. We cannot simply abandon the US Constitution and continue call ourselves an 'American" anymore.

That's where former Gov Huckabee is failing. He believes, for whatever reason, that he can abandon the US Constitution and still think of himself as an American. Sorry Gov Huckabee, that isn't the way it works. You can be for whatever you want be it pro-life or pro-traditional marriage but you cannot be opposed to the Constitutionally protected rights of gays and lesbians or of a woman that might choose to have an abortion. That is opposition to the Constitution and opposition to the Constitution that negates your claims that you support America.
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That fact is, CB is right, maybe you do not fall into that category, but the Democrat party DOES!
No. She isn't, and they aren't. All she is doing is producing hit pieces spinning the words of others into something totally different from their original intent.
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That fact is, CB is right, maybe you do not fall into that category, but the Democrat party DOES!
Excuse me but this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the Democratic Party and every post about "Democrats" is an off-topic post attempting to derail the discussion. It's about former Gov Huckabee, the Republican Party, and the US Constitution. I should know because I created the thread.

The Woman's Right to an Abortion was established as a Constitutional Right over 40 years ago. It's already established that same-sex couples are entitled to the identical benefits of marriage provided to opposite-sex couples under the US Constitution. Full marriage equality is currently being imposed by the federal courts and the US Supreme Court did not find any reason warranting it's intervention in the issue so far.

These are not even a real issues to be addressed by this thread because they're fundamentally resolved issues from a Constitutional perspective.
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Excuse me but this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the Democratic Party and every post about "Democrats" is an off-topic post attempting to derail the discussion. It's about former Gov Huckabee, the Republican Party, and the US Constitution. I should know because I created the thread.

The Woman's Right to an Abortion was established as a Constitutional Right over 40 years ago. It's already established that same-sex couples are entitled to the identical benefits of marriage provided to opposite-sex couples under the US Constitution. Full marriage equality is currently being imposed by the federal courts and the US Supreme Court did not find any reason warranting it's intervention in the issue so far.

These are not even a real issues to be addressed by this thread because they're fundamentally resolved issues from a Constitutional perspective.
Ten four on the above post.They have nothing, so they make it about abortion.
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Ten four on the above post.They have nothing, so they make it about abortion.
I think shivasnpoint was that dog man was deflecting to avoid the topic at hand
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Once again, based upon Huckabee's staff member's clarification I believe I've found the flaw in Huchabees beliefs as well as the beliefs of many social-conservatives and I can break it down into three simple mathmatical equations.

Pro-Life =/= Anti-Abortion

Pro-Same-sex marriage =/= Anti-Traditional Marriage

Anti-Abortion & Anti-Same Sex Marriage = Anti-Constitution


You don't need to be opposed to something to be for something else.
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I think shivasnpoint was that dog man was deflecting to avoid the topic at hand
No, I was just trying to keep the thread alive. It was dying fast.
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No, I was just trying to keep the thread alive. It was dying fast.
I don't think it a subject that social-conservatives like to address. Clearly they oppose the US Constitution by opposing a Woman's Constitutionally protected right to an abortion or the Constitutionally protected right of "equal protection under the law" for same-sex couples.

Once agian I think the primary failure of the "social-conservative" ideology expressed by Huckabee hinges upon his "anti" agenda as opposed to having a "pro" agenda on issues of importance.
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