Political Wrinkles  

Go Back   Political Wrinkles > General Forum > News & Current Events
Register FAQDonate PW Store PW Trivia Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

News & Current Events Discuss Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq at the General Forum; http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...es-about-iraq/ Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq By Jennifer Rubin October 2 at 1:30 PM In clear and ...

Reply
 
LinkBack (1) Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 10-02-2014, 07:01 PM
CindyB's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,759
Thanks: 10,535
Thanked 5,977 Times in 3,679 Posts
Default Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...es-about-iraq/

Quote:
Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq

By Jennifer Rubin October 2 at 1:30 PM

In clear and unequivocal terms, former Defense Secretary and CIA director Leon Panetta confirms precisely what conservative critics, lawmakers, former officials, tactical experts and military officials have said about Iraq: President Obama was advised to keep a stay-behind force and warned about the consequences if he did not. He preferred to keep his campaign pledge to get all the troops out. The White House therefore allowed negotiations to falter for a status of forces agreement and bragged it had gotten all the troops out. Iraq has now collapsed.

In excerpts of his new book printed in TIME, he writes: “When President Obama announced the end of our combat mission in August 2010, he acknowledged that we would maintain troops for a while. Now that the deadline was upon us, however, it was clear to me — and many others — that withdrawing all our forces would endanger the fragile stability then barely holding Iraq together.” Among others, Panetta and Under Secretary of Defense Michèle Flournoy tried to convince the White House this was essential, but the White House refused to take obvious measures to maintain troops:

Flournoy argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests.

We debated with al-Maliki even as we debated among ourselves, with time running out. The clock wound down in December, and Deputy Secretary of Defense Ash Carter continued to argue our case, extending the deadline for the Iraqis to act, hoping that we might pull out a last-minute agreement and recognizing that once our forces left, it would be essentially impossible for them to turn around and return. To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them. Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away. The deal never materialized. To this day, I believe that a small U.S. troop presence in Iraq could have effectively advised the Iraqi military on how to deal with al-Qaeda’s resurgence and the sectarian violence that has engulfed the country.

(And of course now that Obama may need to re-insert troops ***he has accepted the very sort of personal representation from Maliki that was available to him in 2011).

In short, Obama is blatantly misleading Americans and the world when he denies choosing to pull out all the troops. If he actually told the truth, he would need to accept blame for ignoring his advisers, putting a campaign promise above national security and sending Iraq and the region on a path that inevitably led to the current disaster.

Hillary Clinton also is telling a blatant falsehood when she claims the outcome was predetermined by the Bush administration or by the Iraqis. Someone should ask her if she ever recommended to Obama Panetta’s suggestion for getting a deal on a stay-behind force. (“We could, for instance, have threatened to withdraw reconstruction aid to Iraq if al-Maliki would not support some sort of continued U.S. military presence.”)

In essence, Panetta has blown the whistle on the president and Hillary Clinton. They should be obligated to address Panetta’s claims. Nothing can be done about Obama’s incessant buck-passing, but Clinton soon will offer herself up as his successor. As we have suggested, Panetta should hold Clinton to account and then should run instead. He can boast he got it right — and has told the truth. Neither Obama nor Clinton can say the same.
***http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...s-in-iraq.html


Obama is an incompetent, lying buffoon, he is an embarrassment to this country. NEVER has he put the country before his own ambitions.
__________________

“LET’S GO BRANDON”

Last edited by CindyB; 10-02-2014 at 07:10 PM..
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to CindyB For This Useful Post:
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 10-02-2014, 08:40 PM
Dog Man's Avatar
Down Boy!
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Southern Nevada
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,979
Thanks: 9,073
Thanked 8,245 Times in 5,468 Posts
Default Re: Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq

Quote:
Originally Posted by CindyB View Post
Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq - The Washington Post



***Obama Does a U-Turn on Immunity for U.S. Troops in Iraq - The Daily Beast


Obama is an incompetent, lying buffoon, he is an embarrassment to this country. NEVER has he put the country before his own ambitions.
This is HUGE! But the MSM controls thoughts and minds, and will not allow this to sink in.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 10-02-2014, 09:14 PM
foundit66's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: California
Gender: Male
Posts: 25,620
Thanks: 10,112
Thanked 15,316 Times in 9,287 Posts
Default Re: Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq


Quote:
President Obama was advised to keep a stay-behind force and warned about the consequences if he did not.
I think advice on this has already been established.

Quote:
He preferred to keep his campaign pledge to get all the troops out.
The U.S. People wanted us out of Iraq.
I realize the right is perfectly okay with pissing all over what the people of this country want done, but Obama did what he was elected to do.

Quote:
The White House therefore allowed negotiations to falter for a status of forces agreement and bragged it had gotten all the troops out. Iraq has now collapsed.
"allowed negotiations to falter"???
WTF? How many times do we have to go over this?
Iraq was making demands we would not allow. We were not going to agree to ANYTHING which put our troops at that risk.

And yet it's all Obama's fault that Iraq made these demands???



Quote:
And of course now that Obama may need to re-insert troops...
When will the right get it through their head.
The American people DO NOT WANT us to put troops back in Iraq.

At this stage, there is a sardonic part of me that almost wishes this were an issue in 2016.
Have the Republican presidential candidate say he wants to put troops in Iraq.
Have the Democrat presidential candidate say he does NOT want to put troops in Iraq.

And then the Repubs can suffer the consequences...
__________________
“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”
~Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to foundit66 For This Useful Post:
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 10-02-2014, 09:19 PM
MrLiberty's Avatar
professional curmudgeon
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 30,506
Thanks: 21,953
Thanked 18,613 Times in 11,939 Posts
Default Re: Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq

Quote:
Originally Posted by foundit66 View Post


I think advice on this has already been established.


The U.S. People wanted us out of Iraq.
I realize the right is perfectly okay with pissing all over what the people of this country want done, but Obama did what he was elected to do.


"allowed negotiations to falter"???
WTF? How many times do we have to go over this?
Iraq was making demands we would not allow. We were not going to agree to ANYTHING which put our troops at that risk.

And yet it's all Obama's fault that Iraq made these demands???




When will the right get it through their head.
The American people DO NOT WANT us to put troops back in Iraq.

At this stage, there is a sardonic part of me that almost wishes this were an issue in 2016.
Have the Republican presidential candidate say he wants to put troops in Iraq.
Have the Democrat presidential candidate say he does NOT want to put troops in Iraq.

And then the Repubs can suffer the consequences...
The people also didn't want us entering WWII either, thank God FDR did what most didn't want him to do.
__________________
Sometimes by losing a battle you find a new way to win the war.

Donald Trump
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MrLiberty For This Useful Post:
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 10-02-2014, 09:22 PM
MrLiberty's Avatar
professional curmudgeon
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 30,506
Thanks: 21,953
Thanked 18,613 Times in 11,939 Posts
Default Re: Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
The people also didn't want us entering WWII either, thank God FDR did what most didn't want him to do.

http://www.worldwar2history.info/in/USA.html
__________________
Sometimes by losing a battle you find a new way to win the war.

Donald Trump
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MrLiberty For This Useful Post:
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 10-02-2014, 09:45 PM
MrLiberty's Avatar
professional curmudgeon
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 30,506
Thanks: 21,953
Thanked 18,613 Times in 11,939 Posts
Default Re: Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq

Quote:
Originally Posted by foundit66

The U.S. People wanted us out of Iraq.
I realize the right is perfectly okay with pissing all over what the people of this country want done, but Obama did what he was elected to do.
The majority of the people don't think illegals in this country should be given amnesty, but obama ignores that and pisses on them.

The majority of the people don't like obamacare, but obama ignored them and pisses on them

The majority of the people want Keystone pipeline to be approved, but obama gives them the middle finger.

The majority of the people don't think illegals should get government benefits, but again obama tells them to **** off.

obama ignores the majority of the people all the time.

I realize the left is perfectly OK with ****ing over the American people when they are the ones doing the ****ing.
__________________
Sometimes by losing a battle you find a new way to win the war.

Donald Trump
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MrLiberty For This Useful Post:
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 10-02-2014, 09:51 PM
Dave1's Avatar
...Fair and Balanced...
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Houston, Texas
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,751
Thanks: 4,518
Thanked 5,685 Times in 3,352 Posts
Default Re: Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq

Excuse me, Obama ran on and won the 2008 election large on bringing home US troops from Iraq. The American public demanded it along with PM Maliki....

This monday morning quarterbacking with some Iraqi leaders now saying they "privately" wanted some trroops to stay why they lied to their people is just another excuse....

The idea that we were going to stay there forever is just insane....

We stayed too long imo...
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 10-02-2014, 09:52 PM
Dave1's Avatar
...Fair and Balanced...
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Houston, Texas
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,751
Thanks: 4,518
Thanked 5,685 Times in 3,352 Posts
Default Re: Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq

Quote:
Originally Posted by foundit66 View Post

The U.S. People wanted us out of Iraq.
I realize the right is perfectly okay with pissing all over what the people of this country want done, but Obama did what he was elected to do.

Absolutely no doubt about it.....^^
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 10-02-2014, 11:56 PM
Master
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: near a california beach
Posts: 1,458
Thanks: 484
Thanked 734 Times in 548 Posts
Default Re: Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
The people also didn't want us entering WWII either, thank God FDR did what most didn't want him to do.
There's a big difference. Japan and Germany had the armies, air forces, and navies to fight a major war in different parts of the world. They were conquering countries before Pearl Harbor. Iraq had few military capabilities. They were never a threat to the USA. Since WW2 the USA is usually the aggressor nation much like the axis powers were. In the middle east we have always been the aggressor nation, all for oil company profit. This is also the major reason for our financial difficulties although republicans would like to put that blame on poor people getting food stamps.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 10-03-2014, 12:02 AM
MrLiberty's Avatar
professional curmudgeon
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 30,506
Thanks: 21,953
Thanked 18,613 Times in 11,939 Posts
Default Re: Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq

Quote:
Originally Posted by larryr View Post
There's a big difference. Japan and Germany had the armies, air forces, and navies to fight a major war in different parts of the world. They were conquering countries before Pearl Harbor. Iraq had few military capabilities. They were never a threat to the USA. Since WW2 the USA is usually the aggressor nation much like the axis powers were. In the middle east we have always been the aggressor nation, all for oil company profit. This is also the major reason for our financial difficulties although republicans would like to put that blame on poor people getting food stamps.
typical liberal lie of the U.S. being the aggressor. If you guys hate this country so much why don't you get the **** out. I'm sure you'd love france, they're a bunch of panty waists too.
__________________
Sometimes by losing a battle you find a new way to win the war.

Donald Trump
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MrLiberty For This Useful Post:
Reply

Tags
about, blows, iraq, leon, lies, panetta, whistle

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump

LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/news-current-events/40620-leon-panetta-blows-whistle-lies-about-iraq.html
Posted By For Type Date
Leon Panetta blows whistle on lies about Iraq - Page 6 - Political Wrinkles This thread Refback 10-05-2014 12:37 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0