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The mother and father took her to the range. I don't think it's far fetched that it was their gun.
If they had a class III FFL licence, and the $15K for an UZI, don't you think that they would own land and have a private place to shoot? I would.. Not the stuff of a novice shooter at all. You need alot, and a lot of cash to own one. Most folks who own class III weapons are wealthy and don't shoot at public ranges. Ruffles to many feathers...

On the other hand lots of folks rent them and shoot them on the owners range. Just so that they can say "I shot a machinegun!" Heck I did!

Besides if you were the father and it was your gun, why would you hire a duffus to teach her how to shoot? you wouldn't...

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We don't even know if the instructor in the video is the dead one. It's said she lost control and shot over her head.
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I am not disagreeing with you. I am just saying we don't know. This is all speculation.
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If they had a class III FFL licence, and the $15K for an UZI, don't you think that they would own land and have a private place to shoot? I would.. Not the stuff of a novice shooter at all. You need alot, and a lot of cash to own one. Most folks who own class III weapons are wealthy and don't shoot at public ranges. Ruffles to many feathers...

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God, I hope that instructor was white...
Well there's no riots, race baiting, or massive theft of sneakers so I'm assuming he was.

Bright side is she knows how to use an Uzi now...
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I am not disagreeing with you. I am just saying we don't know. This is all speculation.
And I am not saying that I know, I don't. But I know it is much more likely that it was a rented gun, with ammo the parents had to pay for.

I also know how difficult it is to leagally own a full auto weapon. It isn't easy or everyone would have one. It isn't cheap because each time one changes hands besides all of the paper work there is a $200 dollar transfere fee, and everybody tacks this on when they sell to the asking price. So the tend to get very expencive fast, and they do. Then you have to feed the damn thing $$$ to shoot it.

I am just sayin' that a father who owns an UZI isn't going to let a hired gun teach his daughter. I just don't see that ever happening.

I think the instructor just thought it was cool, and so was he for doing this. Now he got dead...

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The owner said they allow children 8 years old to fire weapons.

MOHAVE COUNTY
Jim McCabe Greg Smith
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MCSO PRESS RELEASE
August 26, 2014
ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING UPDATE – DOLAN SPRINGS
Mohave County Sheriff’s deputies responded to an ac
cidental shooting at an outdoor shooting range Mond
ay (8/25)
morning. At about 10:00 a.m., deputies responded t
o the Last Stop business located at 20606 North Hig
hway 93 in
White Hills. Investigations determined a 9-year-ol
d girl accidentally shot the instructor in the head
. The instructor, a
39-year-old male victim was airlifted to a medical
center in Las Vegas, Nevada. The girl was at the b
usiness with her
parents.
The instructor identified as Charles Vacca, 39, of
Lake Havasu City, did not survive his injuries.
Vacca was pronounced dead Monday (8/25) evening at
the University Medical Center at 8:56 p.m.
Vacca was standing next to the girl while he was in
structing her how to use to weapon when the acciden
t happened.
Further investigations determined the girl pulled t
he trigger on the automatic Uzi, the recoil sent th
e gun over her head
and the victim was shot.
The autopsy will be performed by the Clark County M
edical Examiner’s Office in Nevada.
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I taught a lot of kids to shoot at my own range. Single shot bolt action .22 till they were proficient and safe. Then they moved on to a tube feed lever action and finally a semi-auto 22. Same for shotgun. No high power till they were comfortable with a shotgun. Any safety violations and they had to watch but not shoot for a while. Usually a month of watching was the best teacher.
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The owner said they allow children 8 years old to fire weapons.
"Firing weapons" can be MUCH different than "firing uzis"...

I can imagine training 8-year-olds on CERTAIN guns, but not the whole arsenal...
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Default Re: Ariz. girl accidentally shoots, kills shooting instructor

The Youtube vid in Mikey's post obviously cuts off before the killing shot(s). But if you watch the vid at the link he provided, you see a little more. It still cuts early but you actually see on that one the Uzi starting to come up from the recoil.
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He didn't say. I doubt if a year would make a lot of difference with someone who would put this weapon in the hands of a 9 year old.
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"Firing weapons" can be MUCH different than "firing uzis"...

I can imagine training 8-year-olds on CERTAIN guns, but not the whole arsenal...
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