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Wow, no one has badmouthed Perry yet.
Perry would be a great guy to go have a beer with, but I question his ability to run this country effectively without have a Republican Congress.
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I don't understand. Why send in the NG? I thought Reid assured us the border was secure...

I like the move. If Obama and Congress are gonna drag their feet and spend the rest of eternity squabbling like an old, married couple, let the governors take charge and do what they gotta do to stop the flood of illegals pouring across the border.

Report: Gov. Rick Perry to mobilize Texas National Guard troops to secure U.S.-Mexico border - The Washington Post
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) reportedly plans to dispatch the Texas National Guard to the U.S. border with Mexico, according to news reports.

Perry will announce his plans Monday to mobilize some 1,000 guardsmen to the Rio Grande Valley to increase security at the border, according to the Monitor, a south Texas newspaper. The newspaper quoted a state senator and an internal memo it obtained from a state official’s office.

Perry spokesman Felix Browne told The Washington Post he would neither confirm nor deny the report, but said all details will be given at a news conference at 2 p.m. Central time Monday in Austin. It was unclear what mission the guard will have.

The news comes amid the continued surge of young immigrants, most of them from Central America, crossing the border and scattered protests in a few U.S. cities from those who don’t want them housed in their midst. Perry, a potential 2016 Republican presidential contender, spoke in Iowa and elsewhere in recent days, promising to take matters into his own hands if President Obama does not act.

Perry is among Republicans who have been calling the border situation Obama’s “Katrina,” a reference to the political beating taken by President George W. Bush after federal authorities botched the post-hurricane operation in New Orleans in 2005. It’s a clear signal Republicans will use the border crisis against any Democratic contender in 2016.

“If the federal government does not do its constitutional duty to secure the Southern border of the United States, the state of Texas will do it,” Perry said Sunday at a Republican barbecue in Iowa.

Following the murder of Arizona rancher Robert Krentz in 2010, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D) ordered the National Guard to patrol the border to protect New Mexico residents. Republicans in Congress have been urging Obama for some time to use the guard along the border.

Perry, who has been asking Obama to make the call, recently told Fox News Sunday that mobilizing the troops now is important “because this flood of children is pulling away the border patrol from their normal duties of keeping bad people, keeping the drug cartels, they’re being distracted, so that I would suggest is a very obvious reason that those National Guard troops should come play an important role.”

Obama sent the guard to the border in 2010 to support the Border Patrol. In 2006, Bush, in response to requests for support enforcing federal immigration laws from the governors of Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas, sent some 6,000 National Guard troops to the Southern border for the same reason.
Unfortunately the national guard are being sent to the border to report illegal crossings.RIck Perry is pulling a George Bush move.Which is to make it look like he is doing something when he really isn't by sending the national guard to the border to basically just stand there and do nothing. Texas has sanctuary cities and Texas has a problem with illegals before Obama was even in office.If illegal immigration was truly a problem to Rick Perry then why hasn't he done anything to curb the illegal immigration problem in his state?
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I think it's long over due. They won't build a fence and in some areas they are just walking across. Not enough border patrol agents to stop the masses, it's shameful that we can't seal our borders this day and age…..

I'm not a Rick Perry guy but, I tip my hat to his efforts here….
No, Governor Perry isn't high on my list of GOP Presidential hopefuls either, but, yes, he is correct to bring national guard to the current situation, mainly because the President won't act. He should have activated FEMA to go down there and solve the existing crisis now, and it is my opinion that we should let the children in, it isn't going to effect us one bit, but we do have to stop the continued influx.

Putting the Texas National Guard on duty at the border shows leadership. It will, in fact, put pressure on Washington and President Obama to take time off from their vacations, and deal with the crisis. Then again, Obama may just let Texas and Arizona handle it themselves, ignorance is bliss in the Obama administration. He will come up with some off-the-wall crisis in an attempt to divert attention from his inaction, you can bet on it. Perhaps releasing an old report about CIA interrogation methods against terrorist's over 5 1/2 years ago?

Rubber bullets and water canons work best, but, since Mexico won't close its border, why are we worrying about closing ours? Perhaps we could use the USMC at Mexico's Western and Southern borders, get them out of Afghanistan, which is supposed to happen August 14th, and place them down on Mexico's border, and see whether they like our actions in response to their in-actions to stem this crisis.

One other thing, however, this entire debate has gotten a bit askew regarding immigration. These are children we are dealing with in this present crisis, children who are in immediate danger of being captured or killed by drug cartels in their home countries if returned. Persecution in your homeland is a legitimate reason for admission into the U.S. on a hardship visa. These children are not an invading army, bent on conquering Texas or Arizona, and the rhetoric surrounding them appears a bit too strident regarding a group of kids who wouldn't fill Dallas' Cotton Bowl Stadium if admitted. Fact is, that would probably be a good place to put them on cold storage until we can deal with the crisis. New Orleans used the Superdome after Katrina. Whoops, the Dallas Cowboys NFL training camp and pre-season are about to start, scratch that idea, wouldn't want a bunch of children interfering on the National Football League, something much more important than immigration. STFN
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It is still stupid and the only place I have seen it is far RW forum posters.
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If Rick Perry keeps this up he will overtake Scott Walker as my personal choice for POTUS.
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Unfortunately the national guard are being sent to the border to report illegal crossings.RIck Perry is pulling a George Bush move.Which is to make it look like he is doing something when he really isn't by sending the national guard to the border to basically just stand there and do nothing. Texas has sanctuary cities and Texas has a problem with illegals before Obama was even in office.If illegal immigration was truly a problem to Rick Perry then why hasn't he done anything to curb the illegal immigration problem in his state?
He didn't have 100,000 children, parents and criminals flooding his border before this year expecting asylum and having our president grant it. He really doesn't have the authority to do what he is doing, but he is doing it anyway to try and stem the flow. The federal government is supposed to keep our borders safe, but Obama has neither the ability or is willing to make the effort to do so. He doesn't have time as he is so busy with his golf and fund raising. The guy should be impeached for incompetence.
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[QUOTE=StanFan;683413]One other thing, however, this entire debate has gotten a bit askew regarding immigration. These are children we are dealing with in this present crisis, children who are in immediate danger of being captured or killed by drug cartels in their home countries if returned. Persecution in your homeland is a legitimate reason for admission into the U.S. on a hardship visa. TE]


Can you prove these childern are in immediate danger from drug cartels, and why? To me that is a streach of the truth. Why would the cartels kill kids?

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One other thing, however, this entire debate has gotten a bit askew regarding immigration. These are children we are dealing with in this present crisis, children who are in immediate danger of being captured or killed by drug cartels in their home countries if returned. Persecution in your homeland is a legitimate reason for admission into the U.S. on a hardship visa. TE]


Can you prove these childern are in immediate danger from drug cartels, and why? To me that is a streach of the truth. Why would the cartels kill kids?

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If Rick Perry keeps this up he will overtake Scott Walker as my personal choice for POTUS.
You ever hear him make a speech? Verbal communication level about high school style. Even Michelle Bachman, who won the Iowa primary for the GOP, sounded better and so does Sarah Palin. He sounds like an excited 16-year old boy watching girls at the beach in bikinis. Not particularly Steven Douglas or Abe Lincoln style, makes him sound stupid.

GOP hopefuls for 2016? Rubio is obviously no higher than a Vice Presidential choice. Jeb Bush, former Governor of Florida for two terms, where he did a very good job, is a top candidate, but I believe that, given a second chance, with the truth this time, as America has seen and heard all the lies the liberal media and Obama put out about them for what they were - lies - Mitt Romney will be treated much better by the voters, so would John McCain a second time around, and Newt Gingrich is a combination of both, plus he was Speaker of the House in the Clinton Administration, organized the Contract With America which won the GOP the House in 1992, and no doubt he could govern ably. Any one of the last three, I would trust with the Presidency.

Hillary Clinton? American voters know her well and respect her, but there isn't going to be another "breaking of the glass ceiling" as there was with Obama and his useless rhetoric in 2008 and 2016, plus, although experienced to govern, she is morally unqualified for the position, with her lie about Benghazi, cooked up with Obama, and spread across the media as gospel.

Four American State Department employees, including Ambassador Stevens, died on her watch, who didn't have to. If they had told the truth outright, that it was an organized, planned militia attack by Al Quida operatives, instead of the silly anti-Muslin video, and an attack based on anger and chance, nothing would have been said, other than Obama would have toned down his rhetoric about being tough on terrorism on the campaign trail.

The lie makes her morally bankrupt in my eyes, and probably many others. The video of her crying "what difference does it matter now, they are dead" in front of Congress, will be run continuously, showing her still covering up what every American voter knows is a planted lie by Obama and her, and she will have to support and defend everything the Obama administration has accomplished, and retell all of his lies, in any campaign. Not electable.

BTW, two states in the Union have Constitution's which put the majority of the political power with the legislature, not the executive, making the Governor almost a mere figurehead. Georgia, which gave us Jimmy Carter and Texas which gave us George Bush, Jr., both direct from the Governor's chair. We compounded the error of electing two hugely inexperienced men to the Presidency at the time, by going worse, and electing Barak Obama, a Senator, with less than two years experience (all spent on the road running for President, spouting lies that would make an 8th grader blush). America isn't going Democratic, no matter what their "ground game" is for 12-straight years in 2016, unless the GOP puts up a snowbird, and the three I wrote about all have the ability, the money and the experience to run the country.

Rubio holds some important Senate seats, so giving them up for the Vice Presidency IMO makes no sense - he isn't going to win a Republican nomination in 2016. If they can use Jeff Dunham as a political consultant to teach Perry how to speak well in public, I could see him in the Vice Presidential role.......STFN
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One other thing, however, this entire debate has gotten a bit askew regarding immigration. These are children we are dealing with in this present crisis, children who are in immediate danger of being captured or killed by drug cartels in their home countries if returned. Persecution in your homeland is a legitimate reason for admission into the U.S. on a hardship visa. TE]


Can you prove these childern are in immediate danger from drug cartels, and why? To me that is a streach of the truth. Why would the cartels kill kids?

Regards, Kirk
Because the cartels force these kids into working for them, and if they refuse, they are executed. They murder family members in cities and rural villages which can't protect themselves, as a warning for the kids to join them, because the government's of El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala are so completely corrupted by payoffs from the drug cartels, which control the country, the army, the President's and their legislatures, that they have no control, particularly in the rural villages.

The same thing happens in Africa where criminal gangs force 8-12 year old boys into guerilla service as soldiers for their purposes. It wasn't an organized, uniformed, well trained military force, acting under legitimate government orders that kidnapped all of those Nigerian girls. It was an out-or-control terrorist band, many which exist in Africa, exactly like the drug cartels of Central America, and parts of Mexico.

To escape the capture or murder's from drug cartels in their home countries, these kids travel, moving almost 800 miles through drug cartel-controlled areas, including parts of Mexico where their Federal government has no control of the countryside either, and no intention of trying to regain control. Many of the children, some who left voluntarily when family members were murdered in their home countries, some who were sent to "safety" by their parents, are captured or killed on the trip to the U.S. border by the drug lords. We saw all of this happen in Columbia and it took over 15-years to break the cartel's control of that country. But, with American aid, influence, military hardware and some honest politicians elected, after we made it safe to hold elections without the threat of being killed for voting, that country is finally free of the drug cartels, and Medellen is considered one of the hot new tourist cities for tourism......STFN
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