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U.S. reverses course, will send envoy to talks with Iran

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration has decided to break with previous policy by sending one of its most senior diplomats to engage Iran's top nuclear official, the White House announced Wednesday.

The move could dramatically alter the three-decade stand-off between the U.S. and Iran. Some western nations and Israel suspect Iran is intent on developing nuclear weapons and want Tehran to suspend uranium enrichment. Iran says it wants to develop nuclear power to produce electricity.

Undersecretary of State William Burns will accompany a European Union delegation during a meeting with Saeed Jalili, Iran's top nuclear official, in Switzerland on Saturday, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. The delegation meeting with the Iranians will be led by the European Union's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana.

The delegates will discuss an incentives program meant to encourage the Islamic republic to drop its nuclear enrichment program, Perino said.

"I would say that while some have indicated out of Iran that they would not accept the [incentives] package, there have been others have said they would," said said.

The U.S. decision to attend the talks is not "linked in any way" to Iran's missile tests last week, a senior administration official told CNN. The official said the meeting "had been pending before" the tests occurred.

But State Department Spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters Wednesday that the president and his national security team decided only recently to send Burns to the meeting.

Perino said the "one time" participation of the United States in the meeting is meant to show the United States and other permanent members of the United Nation's Security Council are united in the "long standing principle that Iran -- in order to take advantage of the incentives package that was quite generous -- has to halt its nuclear enrichment."

U.S. reverses course, will send envoy to talks with Iran - CNN.com

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Tell me again how only the oh so inexperienced, naive and dimwitted Obama will EVER have an open dialogue with a member of the "axis of evil"

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration has decided to break with previous policy by sending one of its most senior diplomats to engage Iran's top nuclear official, the White House announced Wednesday.

Undersecretary of State William Burns will head to Switzerland for talks on Saturday.

The move could dramatically alter the three-decade stand-off between the U.S. and Iran. Some western nations and Israel suspect Iran is intent on developing nuclear weapons and want Tehran to suspend uranium enrichment. Iran says it wants to develop nuclear power to produce electricity.

Undersecretary of State William Burns will accompany a European Union delegation during a meeting with Saeed Jalili, Iran's top nuclear official, in Switzerland on Saturday, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. The delegation meeting with the Iranians will be led by the European Union's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana.

[B]The delegates will discuss an incentives program meant to encourage the Islamic republic to drop its nuclear enrichment program, Perino said.

The U.S. decision to attend the talks is not "linked in any way" to Iran's missile tests last week, a senior administration official told CNN. The official said the meeting "had been pending before" the tests occurred.

But State Department Spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters Wednesday that the president and his national security team decided only recently to send Burns to the meeting.


A group dubbed the "P5 + 1," which consists of representatives from the permanent members of the Security Council -- the United States, Britain, France, China, and Russia -- and Germany, has been negotiating over Iran's controversial nuclear program.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice "believes it's a smart step to take. There is no change in the substance but it sends a strong signal," McCormack said. "It sends a strong signal to our P5+1 partners. It sends a strong signal to the world. It sends a strong signal to the Iranian government that the United States is committed to diplomacy, to finding a diplomatic solution to this issue."

McCormack said Burns will be under strict orders to listen to what Iran has to say but not engage in one-on-one discussions with the Iranian negotiator.

Burns will also hammer home the point that any direct talks between the United States and Iran will occur only after Iran suspends its enrichment program, McCormick said.

"Iran needs to suspend its uranium enrichment and reprocessing related activities. Should they take that single step, the United States and its partners in the P5+1 will meet with the Iranian delegation any time, any place, anywhere to talk about a variety ... of subjects, but certainly our focus will be on the Iranian nuclear program," McCormack said.

McCormack brushed aside criticism that the United States is giving up too much to Iran.

"Is this a new tactic? Yes. Does it send a signal? Yes. Is the substance [of the U.S. position] any different? No," McCormack said.

Presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, who has said he wouldn't negotiate face-to-face with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad without conditions, said Wednesday he had "no problem ... whatsoever" with sending Burns to Saturday's meeting with Jalili.

"We have many negotiations with many countries ... throughout the world," McCain told reporters in Nebraska, noting the U.S. ambassador to Iraq previously met with an Iranian ambassador in Iraq.

However, McCain repeated that he wouldn't meet Ahmadinejad unconditionally, noting the U.S. considers Iran a sponsor of terrorism.

U.S. reverses course, will send envoy to talks with Iran - CNN.com

While I poke fun at the "forget the talk, let's nuke their as**s" crowd in this forum, I for one think this is an about face that might prove beneficial for everyone if handled correctly, I presume many of you won't agree...

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Yea I saw it on the News. Sure has McCain sputtering. IMHO only!

Guess we got a sign/signal from the portion of the axis of evil. I wouldn't think much will come from it.
More to me like Iran is playing for time. At least till the new president takes office.
They know Israel will do it alone or we will open the door and more with them with Bush in power. And maybe we are making a time to get it right.

Who knows with politics and politician's...

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Obama wants direct talks without conditions.

We have a group talk in which we're merely tagging along & there are likely some conditions.

Not quite the gotcha you were hoping for.

Nonetheless, you can roll around laughing at yourself all you want.

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The last part seems a bit rough on a lady. But hey it is just a screen right?
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Obama wants direct talks without conditions.

We have a group talk in which we're merely tagging along & there are likely some conditions.

Not quite the gotcha you were hoping for.

Nonetheless, you can roll around laughing at yourself all you want.

That's your best argument? Denial?

Diplomacy: Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.

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Bush: Perino said the "one time" participation of the United States in the meeting is meant to show the United States and other permanent members of the United Nation's Security Council are united in the "long standing principle that Iran -- in order to take advantage of the incentives package that was quite generous -- has to halt its nuclear enrichment."

When Obama said it, he was appeasing terrorists. It was discussed ad nauseum in the thread above, BTW, what pre-conditions? I didn't read anything about any pre-conditions in that article, did you??
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I saw this in the news and was saying to myself, "I just KNOW the media will spin this as a flip and/or Obama was right all along."...

Unfortunately, I wasn't dissappointed...

First, Bush is sending a diplomat...Not a secretary...Not an ambassador...Not a congressperson...Not himself...

...a diplomat...and an UNDERsecretary at that...

Second, this is not a one-on-one....There will be multiple countries present...

Thirdly (and most important, which is why you'll never see it in the headlines), the diplomat will NOT speak at the meeting, he is doing nothing more than overseeing the process of negotiatons that will be spoken by the EUROPEANS and NOT America...

As far as Obama goes, this line from the article states everything you need to know...

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Burns will also hammer home the point that any direct talks between the United States and Iran will occur only after Iran suspends its enrichment program.
Whereas Obama will have no preconditions and try to talk with them directly while they continue to disregard the global community...

This story DOES raise eyebrows, but is FAR from being some major policy shift or a "reverse" as the bullcrap headline indicates...
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dga I out of the thread this person comes around once in a blue moon and creates this crap. look at his post count and know he is a member from Oct. 2007.

Between th eignore list and unsubscribing form threads I better look for another site or drop them entirely.
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The last part seems a bit rough on a lady. But hey it is just a screen right?
That would be me, since I was rolling around laughing at him,
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The last part seems a bit rough on a lady. But hey it is just a screen right?
I'm not a lady, I'm a bunny,
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