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Old 07-16-2008, 09:23 PM
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I saw this in the news and was saying to myself, "I just KNOW the media will spin this as a flip and/or Obama was right all along."...

Unfortunately, I wasn't dissappointed...

First, Bush is sending a diplomat...Not a secretary...Not an ambassador...Not a congressperson...Not himself...

...a diplomat...and an UNDERsecretary at that...

Second, this is not a one-on-one....There will be multiple countries present...

Thirdly (and most important, which is why you'll never see it in the headlines), the diplomat will NOT speak at the meeting, he is doing nothing more than overseeing the process of negotiatons that will be spoken by the EUROPEANS and NOT America...

As far as Obama goes, this line from the article states everything you need to know...

Whereas Obama will have no preconditions and try to talk with them directly while they continue to disregard the global community...

This story DOES raise eyebrows, but is FAR from being some major policy shift or a "reverse" as the bullcrap headline indicates...
Fine, you win, it's not the same, I wouldn't expect Bush to do it exactly as Obama suggested,
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Fine, you win, it's not the same, I wouldn't expect Bush to do it exactly as Obama suggested,
No one in their right mind would...

JFK had a face-to-face with Krushchev and even now all sides agree that the JFK was made out a fool...repeating history on things like that are never good...
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Obama wants direct talks without conditions.

We have a group talk in which we're merely tagging along & there are likely some conditions.

Not quite the gotcha you were hoping for.

Nonetheless, you can roll around laughing at yourself all you want.

And we get to hear what's going on and not agree to any of it.
Which sounds dirty, but is kind of smart when dealing with known enemies.
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Me thinks Bush is getting a little worried about his LEGACY and rightfully so!
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dga I out of the thread this person comes around once in a blue moon and creates this crap. look at his post count and know he is a member from Oct. 2007.

Between th eignore list and unsubscribing form threads I better look for another site or drop them entirely.
first: I was one of the originals who came to this site when it was created. cnredd invited us from another forum.
second: While I may disagree with some people, I've always gotten along with them; even mikeyy.
third: I check in almost everyday even though I don't always post. It's nice that you want to hold it against someone for having a life outside the internet.
fourth: you seem to be the only one offended at anything I've written.

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That's your best argument? Denial?

Diplomacy: Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.

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You mean kind of like the 12 years of negotiations tha twe went through with Baathist Iraq???? You are naive about the Persian/Arab mindset. Theses people respect power and negotiating normally means surrendering some power. They are in it for the haul and becoming more accepted the int'l community is only of benefit to them not the rest of the community. Until Iran stops it's quest for power (an anathema to the Persian/Arab mindset), they will be a "bad neighbor".


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Bush: Perino said the "one time" participation of the United States in the meeting is meant to show the United States and other permanent members of the United Nation's Security Council are united in the "long standing principle that Iran -- in order to take advantage of the incentives package that was quite generous -- has to halt its nuclear enrichment."

When Obama said it, he was appeasing terrorists. It was discussed ad nauseum in the thread above, BTW, what pre-conditions? I didn't read anything about any pre-conditions in that article, did you??
Just maybe the whole stupid economic incentives package....
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Regardless, it is all about perception. I am less concerned with what the Arabs think than with America's image internationally. Opening a forum for dialogue, whether it is directly, indirectly, face to face, back to back or over the phone, it shows us as open to a peaceful resolution of this mess. IF it does not work (if you are correct, that will be when it does not work), and we end up going to war anyway, we will have more support from the international community for making an effort at diplomacy first.
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Regardless, it is all about perception. I am less concerned with what the Arabs think than with America's image internationally. Opening a forum for dialogue, whether it is directly, indirectly, face to face, back to back or over the phone, it shows us as open to a peaceful resolution of this mess. IF it does not work (if you are correct, that will be when it does not work), and we end up going to war anyway, we will have more support from the international community for making an effort at diplomacy first.
We'll have suport in theory.
Right up until it's time put words into action.
Then the world will run & hide with the exception of maybe the Brits & Aussies.
And, certain media outlets will show how we have no support & we're going it alone & rally the anti-whatevertheywanttobeagainstthistime crowd.

Diplomacy is fine but only works when both sides are actually willing to compromise.
The problem is that there are certain things bioth sides will not compromise on.
Those are conditions put in place by both sides; not just ours.
This recent move to tag along with an EU delegation is way to get started without compromising our ideals or theirs.
It's a good first step but there's no way to know if this will lead to direct talks or not.
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We'll have suport in theory.
Right up until it's time put words into action.
Then the world will run & hide with the exception of maybe the Brits & Aussies.
And, certain media outlets will show how we have no support & we're going it alone & rally the anti-whatevertheywanttobeagainstthistime crowd.

Diplomacy is fine but only works when both sides are actually willing to compromise.
The problem is that there are certain things bioth sides will not compromise on.
Those are conditions put in place by both sides; not just ours.
This recent move to tag along with an EU delegation is way to get started without compromising our ideals or theirs.
It's a good first step but there's no way to know if this will lead to direct talks or not.
The major media are whores. No. For real. I'm convinced they jump into bed with whoever has some dough or favors.
Just an observation brought on by your post.
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