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They sure as f*ck are terrorists. They also have ties to Al Qaeda and were all deemed to be an extremely high risk to the US.

They weren't at Gitmo for littering or jaywalking.



President Obama Trades Al Qaeda-Linked Taliban Leaders For Release of American Soldier | JONATHAN TURLEY
I said they were regional and no threat to us if we aren't there. You are exaggerating thing for partisan sake. How are they terrorists if we are in their country?
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I said they were regional and no threat to us
I just showed you where the US labeled these men as high threats to our country.
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you mean to tell us that the Founders of the US perpetrated atrocities like the Taliban and al Quaida?

Holy Moly!

Go tell that to the Ferryman!
I don't know if I can make that comparison but I know that the detention of individuals at GITMO violated the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 14th Amendments and/or the Geneva Conventions if they were consided combatants of war (lawful or unlawful) as well as violating the Cuban-American treaty on GITMO that limits it's use to a naval coaling station and it cannot be used as a prison facility.

I don't really give a rat's-ass about Afghanistian but the gross violation of the US Constitution, International Law, and our treaty agreements is something I do care about.

Do you?
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GITMO was established as a palatable alternative to black rendition sites. So it seems we have choice but to revisit rendition (not like they don't still exist) because what else can a free nation do with dangerous unrepentant terrorists? If left to Eric Holder, we would give them Miranda rights on the battlefield and then haul them to Manhattan for trial.

Seems the best solution is to just shoot em.
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I just showed you where the US labeled these men as high threats to our country.
Islamic terrorists are only a threat to the United States because we're in their countries killing their citizens. If we left the Middle East and stopped supporting Israel (that kills Muslims) then there wouldn't be an Islamic terrorist threat against the United States. Even Osama bin Laden stated this years before he was killled.

The US is like a home invader that breaks into someone's home, starts killing members of the family, and then complains when the surviving family members seek revenge.

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Islamic terrorists are only a threat to the United States because we're in their countries killing their citizens. If we left the Middle East and stopped supporting Israel (that kills Muslims) then there wouldn't be an Islamic terrorist threat against the United States.
Pass. That. Sh*t.

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Islamic terrorists are only a threat to the United States because we're in their countries killing their citizens. If we left the Middle East and stopped supporting Israel (that kills Muslims) then there wouldn't be an Islamic terrorist threat against the United States. Even Osama bin Laden stated this years before he was killled.

The US is like a home invader that breaks into someone's home, starts killing members of the family, and then complains when the surviving family members seek revenge.
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“What none of these media is reporting is that the father’s (SGT Bowe Bergdahl’s father Bob) first words at the WH were in Arabic – those words were “bism allah alrahman alraheem” – which means “in the name of Allah the most gracious and most merciful” – these are the opening words of every chapter of the Qur’an except one (the chapter of the sword – the 9th) – by uttering these words on the grounds of the WH, Bergdahl (the father) sanctified the WH and claimed it for Islam. There is no question but POTUS knows this.”

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I guess we should have let him rot.
Yes, we should have. He hates America so let him stay with his buddies and I don't give a fig about his father either.


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Strikes me this is a fundamental part in keeping an election promise. Can't close the damn place with prisoners in it.
Exactly, that is the only way he can keep the promise he made to close Gitmo is to just release all the terrorists so they can go back to being terrorists.

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They were political prisoners and not criminals or terrorists.

The founders of America have been rolling in their graves over the incarceration of people based solely upon their political and religious beliefs. That represents "everything" that the founders of America were opposed to.

It saddens me when I read comments from Americans that openly reject the very ideals upon which America was founded.
Give me a freaking break, what a bunch of liberal hogwash. They were and ARE terrorists, they harbored terrorists, they allowed terrorists training camps in Afghanistan. And they had their flipping chance, we GAVE them a chance to hand over Bin Laden. They didn't so they got what was promised them IF they didn't hand him over.



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I don't think they are good guys but lets face it. We weren't attacked by the Taliban. We were attacked by Al Qaeda. These guys will go back to their country and what they do there I could care less about. Saudis attacked us. Not Taliban. No Afghans. 15 of the 19 were Saudis. 2 were from the UAE. Taliban terrorizes their own citizens but they were never a threat to us until we went there.

I don't know why people can't keep this straight
I don't give a tinker's dam what their nationalities are Mikeyy. See above post of mine to the other Liberal, Shiva.

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Obama says leave no man behind, even if it means negotiating with terrorists, freeing five of the worst in exchange for an AWOL American soldier that sympathizes with the enemy.

Never leave one our own behind. BS. Where was Obama the night of 09/11/2012, when he left four of our own to die?
6 soldiers were killed while out looking for that traitor Bergdahl, who threw down his rifle and walked off base because he would RATHER be with terrorists than American's.


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These guys fought on our side against the Russians at one point and then us because they didn't like us in their country. They aren't terrorists in the way Al Qaeda is. They are regional are they not?

We fought on THEIR side against the Russians, we fought on the side of the Mujahideen, NOT the Taliban. But we did help Afghanistan expel the Russians. One would think they would be grateful for the help we gave them and a life-long friend to us, wouldn't you think?
But noooo, they allow Al Qaeda to come into their country, build terrorist training camps and plan the destruction of the country who helped them expel the Russian's.
Then, after we have been attacked, we still give them time to hand over Bin Laden to us, the country that helped THEM in the past and what do they say?

And now, according to stupid ass liberals, it's America's fault.


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Islamic terrorists are only a threat to the United States because we're in their countries killing their citizens. If we left the Middle East and stopped supporting Israel (that kills Muslims) then there wouldn't be an Islamic terrorist threat against the United States. Even Osama bin Laden stated this years before he was killled.

The US is like a home invader that breaks into someone's home, starts killing members of the family, and then complains when the surviving family members seek revenge.
Oh goodie, another Anti-Semite, Anti-Semites are very prolific among you liberals.

I think we all know WHY we entered Afghanistan in the first place. If you don't agree with WHY we entered Afghanistan, tough.

As far as Israel,
Teeny tiny Israel, surrounded on all sides by lethal enemies, the only Democratic society in the Middle East and American's ONLY true friend in the Middle East and you Jew Haters want us to cut them loose.

I wish America could cut all you Anti-Semites loose.
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“What none of these media is reporting is that the father’s (SGT Bowe Bergdahl’s father Bob) first words at the WH were in Arabic – those words were “bism allah alrahman alraheem” – which means “in the name of Allah the most gracious and most merciful” – these are the opening words of every chapter of the Qur’an except one (the chapter of the sword – the 9th) – by uttering these words on the grounds of the WH, Bergdahl (the father) sanctified the WH and claimed it for Islam. There is no question but POTUS knows this.”

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You may not know so fyi, I have been keeping up with the Bergdahls because I recently moved from Idaho and listen to a local talk radio station online. Also I get local stories from the local paper. The dad has been trying every thing he could to get his son out. Even making videos speaking directly to the hostage takers. He has read everything he could put his hands on as well as learned the language, which I'm sure didnt take his son long to learn either as he has an affinity for languages.

The way I personally see them is a self sufficient (as much as possible) family in the outback of Idaho who are more into like a peaceful existence and probably didnt even want their son to join the army. They strike me as the type to allow their child his own path though and while they worried about him, they didnt interfere with his joining up.
By the letters and bits here and there I gather that the son became disillusioned for whatever reason at being in that country and our supposed mission there, and stupidly formed a plan to just walk away and make it to a friendly border.
well as soon as he left he was picked up by god knows who and they sold him to the highest bidder cause he was an American. He was shifted around several times and videos were released at intervals.
I think the captors kept him as an ace in the hole but knew or found out he was a deserter and might not command a real jackpot.
Also the Americans (administration and military planners/pentagon) thought since he learned the language and spent so much time in country they could possibly get some intel.
I dont think it was planned from Idaho just an unfortunate series of events and a dad who kept his son's name in the papers till he got him released.
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