Court rejects death penalty for raping children - Page 2

dga · #11 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Yup...I said they shouldn't have the SAME rights...

Did I say that "only Americans have rights" as you claimed I said in your post?...

Nope...

Did I say that "these people are not American (so) they have no rights" as you insinuated?...

Nope...

All I said was that they shouldn't have the SAME rights...

If you disagree with that, then you are basically saying the US Constitution covers every single person in the world in the same manner...

Well no. They would be covered by their own constitution, but they were removed from their country and spirited away to no man's land by our government. They cannot have the same rights as we do, for they have no rights whatsoever at this point. It is scary indeed that the government can whisk anyone away, under the cover of "terrorism", and not have to answer to anyone on the evidence behind it. Brings to mind the "black-bagging" in V for Vendetta.

foundit66 · #12 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Some of you may have read before that there is a person in my life who was raped at the age of five. While that crime went unreported for many years because of the fear and manipulation that took place (as it does with most victims of friends/family), let me relate this person's life after the rape.
Insecurity, life threatening obesity, bipolar disorder, paranoid schizophrenia accompanied by visual and auditory hallucinations, obsessive compulsions, attempted suicide.
Those are words on paper. But I knew this person as a bright and charming playmate before the occurrence. It was like a light dimmed and went out when this thing happened. And I didn't even know about it till years later.
A lot of people started to wonder if there had been an illness that did something to this child's brain. Like when some children used to be affected by the measles or a bad ear infection and it left them permanently disabled.
With today's modern technology, there would have been better tests to determine the cause.
The suicide attempt is what brought out the psychologically aching and physically gruesome tale of the first rape at 5 and another (same perpetrator) at 8 yrs old.
Besides the psychological problems there are residual physical problems as well.

What do you think my opinion of this court decision is?

That person took the life and future of my playmate and I still blame myself that I could have loved a friend so well and not known.

I am admittedly just weary of the back breaking over consideration that's been given to -not the accused-but the tried and guilty in our country, when the victims have to be dead or robbed of a great deal of money before they are worthy enough to have equal justice under the law.
The fact these kids don't die is a testament to their spirit and willpower in the face of the most awful evil anyone can imagine.

Not only that, but there are "other" potential impacts upon the outcome of a child's life after being molested.
I took a women's studies class in college that talked about how some molestation victims lash out in anger. The negative psychological damage is turned outwards (and I think your description is an account of what happens when it's turned inwards).
There are studies out there that show the victims of child molestation are more likely to become victimizers when they become adults.

Being victimized by molestation can turn some from a future with opportunities, to a future with a prison sentence.
In fact, there was discussion how some victims can become to be believed as not credible. Just another "bad seed" making false accusations, while the CAUSE of their bad behavior is not realized.

And while I don't say this to excuse their actions (I STRONGLY urge counseling for ANY victim of child molestation), I do say it to demonstrate that there is a very real negative impact.
I don't see how the justices could make any such claim that child rape victimization is not comparable to "death" in the extremity of the crime.

cnredd · #13 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 02:49 PM

What the SC decided was that child rape would never be considered as heinous as an actual murder...

Here's the actual case file the SC decided on...

YOU be the judge...

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L. H. was transported to the Children’s Hospital. An expert in pediatric forensic medicine testified that L. H.’s injuries were the most severe he had seen from a sexual assault in his four years of practice. A laceration to the left wall of the vagina had separated her cervix from the back of her vagina, causing her rectum to protrude into the vaginal structure. Her entire perineum was torn from the posterior fourchette to the anus. The injuries required emergency surgery.

Kennedy believes that's not "heinous" enough...

saltwn · #14 (**permalink**) 06-26-2008, 07:11 PM

My husband is not a forum member, but I wanted to throw in his comment after reading about the injuries and Kennedy's words.

However, there is nothing I can repeat that is not riddled with suggested surgeries involving Kennedy's own genitalia.
Suffice it to say he agrees with the consensus here that this was a bad decision.

fxashun · #15 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 09:20 AM

But then again you have a good number of people who are against the death penalty for any reason at all. So who is right? I agree with the decision myself. Execution should be reserved for heinous murders only. Until all murderers who deserve it are executed in a uniform fashion across this nation, giving another option for overzealous states to kill criminals is out of the question.

It's ludicrous for a murder in one state to result in the death penalty while just across state lines you can get 20 to life.

Michael1 · #16 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

But then again you have a good number of people who are against the death penalty for any reason at all. So who is right? I agree with the decision myself. Execution should be reserved for heinous murders only. Until all murderers who deserve it are executed in a uniform fashion across this nation, giving another option for overzealous states to kill criminals is out of the question.

It's ludicrous for a murder in one state to result in the death penalty while just across state lines you can get 20 to life.

No it's not. You can only think this way, or use this as a type of justification, if you actually oppose the death penalty.

It's perfectly sane for one state to have one criminal justice system and code of laws and for another state to have another. That's called allowing people the right of self government.

Do you want all laws to be federalized or something?

aaronssongs · #17 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

But then again you have a good number of people who are against the death penalty for any reason at all. So who is right? I agree with the decision myself. Execution should be reserved for heinous murders only. Until all murderers who deserve it are executed in a uniform fashion across this nation, giving another option for overzealous states to kill criminals is out of the question.

It's ludicrous for a murder in one state to result in the death penalty while just across state lines you can get 20 to life.

What if it was your kid that was raped? You'd sing a different tune so quick, our heads would spin.

foundit66 · #18 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

My husband is not a forum member, but I wanted to throw in his comment after reading about the injuries and Kennedy's words.

However, there is nothing I can repeat that is not riddled with suggested surgeries involving Kennedy's own genitalia.
Suffice it to say he agrees with the consensus here that this was a bad decision.

Sounds like you and your hubby are a match.

fxashun · #19 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael1

No it's not. You can only think this way, or use this as a type of justification, if you actually oppose the death penalty.

It's perfectly sane for one state to have one criminal justice system and code of laws and for another state to have another. That's called allowing people the right of self government.

Do you want all laws to be federalized or something?

I'm not talking about laws, I'm talking about punishments. And a last resort punishment at that.

I'm all for castle doctrine laws like the Texas situation with Joe Horn, but after law enforcement gets involved, "The State" should have very limited authority to kill a person. And killing a man on suspicion he might have cause irreparable damage to someone, even a child, isn't death penalty material IMHO.

But a woman personally being attacked CAN kill to defend herself and anyone protecting her should get similar protection.

fxashun · #20 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronssongs

What if it was your kid that was raped? You'd sing a different tune so quick, our heads would spin.

Read my previous post.

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