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One of the cheapest, and easiest ways to acquire hydrogen is by the burning of wood. If done correctly, this produces both hydrogen and carbon monoxide which can be mixed to produce a fuel. water, carbon and carbon dioxide is the waste materials from this burning in an engine.
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SACRAMENTO — One longtime critic of federal transportation spending once concluded that it would be less expensive for the government to buy every new transit rider a Jaguar XJ8 than it would be to build certain new rail systems. Unfortunately, California officials may not have realized that the idea of buying people new cars wasn’t a serious proposal as much as a way to illustrate a point about excessive spending.

The California Air Resources Board is now embarking on a program that would help poor people buy energy-efficient vehicles. In one scenario posed by the agency, a “voucher” might even pay the full price for a Nissan Leaf, an electric car with an MSRP above $21,000, or for used cars with lower price tags.

In a staff report released on Nov. 19, the agency analyzes its Enhanced Fleet Modernization Program authorized in 2007. Funded by a $1 surcharge on vehicle registrations, the $30-million-a-year program is essentially a “cash for clunkers” deal. It provides motorists with $1,000 to $1,500 to retire their high-polluting vehicles.

The board also sponsors a pilot program that provides up to $4,000 for certain motorists to ditch their old cars and buy late-model, cleaner vehicles. The board admits that the current program is “overly complicated” and “highly bureaucratic,” so it’s looking for ways to streamline and expand it so that more people take advantage of the assistance.

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Cleaner still, the poor should be introduced to the virtues of walking or biking.
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salty just killed the auto industry, put millions of people out of work, and lowered the American standard of the middle class in just three posts.

Not to mentioned killing a whole lot of "little brown people" living around the toxic lead processing plants that electric cars are dependent on. But they're not Americans, so who cares - let 'em die as long as we can have our moral superiority to fall back on.
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Not to mentioned killing a whole lot of "little brown people" living around the toxic lead processing plants that electric cars are dependent on. But they're not Americans, so who cares - let 'em die as long as we can have our moral superiority to fall back on.
um...Bush called his grand kids "the little brown ones." so dont lay that off on me, though I see nothing wrong with it in context.
you have tons of polluting plants that do all sorts of bad things to the health of 'little pink and tab people' too. That should be dealt with in another thread, meanwhile...The plants are not mobile. But stationary.
I'm for non polluting vehicles as much as possible with a huge effort behind that to make it happen. I am not in favor of free cars.
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um...Bush called his grand kids "the little brown ones." so dont lay that off on me, though I see nothing wrong with it in context.
you have tons of polluting plants that do all sorts of bad things to the health of 'little pink and tab people' too. That should be dealt with in another thread, meanwhile...The plants are not mobile. But stationary.
I'm for non polluting vehicles as much as possible with a huge effort behind that to make it happen. I am not in favor of free cars.
Bush called his grandkids, "the brown ones" with a big smile and beaming affection. He didn't offer them jobs that would poison them and the are they lived in so that wealthy people in another country could feel good about themselves.

That pretty much is what happens though when we hire poor foreigners to mine exotic metals in countries with poor environmental and safety oversight so that well-to-do Americans can own cars that are run by their local power plant.
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Bush called his grandkids, "the brown ones" with a big smile and beaming affection. He didn't offer them jobs that would poison them and the are they lived in so that wealthy people in another country could feel good about themselves.
I dont think it was bush's call where private industry makes their cars except he could have encouraged congress to incentivize manufacture in his country with decent trade agreements.
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um...Bush called his grand kids "the little brown ones." so dont lay that off on me, though I see nothing wrong with it in context.
you have tons of polluting plants that do all sorts of bad things to the health of 'little pink and tab people' too. That should be dealt with in another thread, meanwhile...The plants are not mobile. But stationary.
I'm for non polluting vehicles as much as possible with a huge effort behind that to make it happen. I am not in favor of free cars.
But there aren't any non-polluting cars. Electric cars have a MASSIVE negative environmental impact from the lead used in their batteries. But that's all being done overseas and you don't care that it's killing people there as long as you get to claim the moral high ground of not burning fossil fuels (except for those burned to generate the electricity it takes to run your non-polluting car). You also don't care that your electric car will cost everyone as the cost of electricity goes sky-high if the demand for power suddenly shifts to cars. We have a limited supply of electricity and if the demand outstrips that supply, it will drive up prices for everyone. So your little electric car will end up costing the old couple down the street on a fixed income an extra $50/month (for example) in their electric bill. But that's OK, they don't need to eat every day...
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um...Bush called his grand kids "the little brown ones." so dont lay that off on me, though I see nothing wrong with it in context.
you have tons of polluting plants that do all sorts of bad things to the health of 'little pink and tab people' too. That should be dealt with in another thread, meanwhile...The plants are not mobile. But stationary.
I'm for non polluting vehicles as much as possible with a huge effort behind that to make it happen. I am not in favor of free cars.
There is not such thing as a non-polluting vehicle.
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I dont think it was bush's call where private industry makes their cars except he could have encouraged congress to incentivize manufacture in his country with decent trade agreements.

Why I didn't buy any chocolate but Nestlé for a long time.
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