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Old 10-24-2013, 11:31 PM
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Obama has been pretty successful keeping quiet the bush originated trade deals that he's passed. He has a doozy of one called Nafta on steroids and I'm sure he welcomes distractions like shutdowns and also the right wing moaning about Obamacare and he himself being a socialist/liberal/marxist/progressive, take your pick.
Anyway the tpp, transpacific partnership is something obama wants fast tracked, no debate, no notoriety. Still think Obama's a liberal?


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Still think Obama's a liberal?
Absolutely. He's no doubt the most far-left POTUS the country has ever voted into office. I won't go as far to call him a socialist, but he definitely has socialist ideologies.
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Absolutely. He's no doubt the most far-left POTUS the country has ever voted into office. I won't go as far to call him a socialist, but he definitely has socialist ideologies.
Here's how I called it...It was awhile ago, but still holds true today...

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We have always had what could be descibed as socialist programs. It is how and why people are able to live with each other. These terms can be twisted to mean anything. That is the problem with "ism's" Someone said Palin is more of a American then Obama. Talk about a moronic statement. How do you answer such an assinine comment? Its the same here. If McCain decides to vote for giving billions to purchase private companies. Or to bail out badly managed ones. That is socialism. Is it not? So how do you have a real conversation on the topic. You can't.
Here's the difference (Analogy forthcoming which you'll tut-tut and be a complete waste of my time. )...

A guy hits 50 home runs every year for the last five years...

Another guy hits 3 home runs every year for the last five years...

Are they both considerded "home run hitters"?...

In YOUR logic, "yes" because they've both TECHNICALLY fulfilled the qualifications of the TECHNICAL definition ("One who has hit a home run")...

But ask 100 people who understand baseball and will rely on reality and not on technical terms, and all 100 of them will tell you that the first guy IS a "home run hitter" and the second guy is NOT even close...

Imagine this during contract time...

The general manager goes up to the first guy and says "Why should I sign you?...

The first guy says "I'm a home run hitter"...His stats back it NOT ONLY in the technical term, but how the term is applied to reality...pretty compelling evidence...

But what do you think would happen if the second guy said "I'm a home run hitter" to the GM?...

In the TECHNICAL realm (what you're using) he's absolutely correct...But you know damn well that, in reality (what you're not using), he'd get laughed right out of the office...

That's the difference between McCain and Obama...When it comes to a socialistic platform, Obama's the "home run hitter" when realistically applied...
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Absolutely. He's no doubt the most far-left POTUS the country has ever voted into office. I won't go as far to call him a socialist, but he definitely has socialist ideologies.
I wouldn't call him a socialist because it's simply untrue.

Far-left? No. We've elected more left-wing presidents within their historical contexts.

Socially liberal? Actually very much so compared to other presidents. But even then one could argue for example that Truman's decision to desegregate the military was considered more radical in the context of the times he lived in, than Obama's opposition and eventual repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Also, Clinton actually got a gun ban whereas Obama and his Democrats could only conjure up... ...legalizing guns in national parks, a step backwards form the view of many in the pro-gun control lobby.

Should I mention the Bush expanded Medicare, raised the minimum wage, and blew up spending and government, and gave out checks? Or that Clinton and Reagan and Bush Sr. all raised our taxes? How about Reagan's doubling of the debt and federal spending, and EMTALA which forced hospitals to administer healthcare to anyone, and the expansion of the EITC which reduced the tax burden on the poor? All of these things and more, of which some conservatives associate with liberalism and/or socialism.

Do I even need to mention FDR?

Iif we're gonna start accusing one guy of being "far-left" with "socialist ideologies" (Whatever the f-ck that means.), the honest assessment through such faulty lenses would render most of our presidents at least as big of a komrade as Barack.
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Here's how I called it...It was awhile ago, but still holds true today...
Thing is though, the analogy doesn't provide evidence for Obama's alleged socialist policies. We have to get there first before comparing centralized home runs.
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Obama has been pretty successful keeping quiet the bush originated trade deals that he's passed. He has a doozy of one called Nafta on steroids and I'm sure he welcomes distractions like shutdowns and also the right wing moaning about Obamacare and he himself being a socialist/liberal/marxist/progressive, take your pick.
Anyway the tpp, transpacific partnership is something obama wants fast tracked, no debate, no notoriety. Still think Obama's a liberal?


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did you notice they've abandoned the words free trade since most of us realize free trade deals are never actually free trade but are in fact regulated trade. now its a partnership --- doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy?
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