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Old 10-09-2013, 12:23 AM
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No, obama is getting the blame because he won't sit down and negotiate. He has to have his little temper tantrum and have his diaper changed.
What's he gonna negotiate on? There is no room for negotiation. The Republicans want to defund. The Senate AND the President said no. He has the power of veto when the House goes off the skids as they have.

The House needs a reality check. They have to get a bill through the Senate AND the President. Seems like they are not in a position to be making demands. And when they make demands, they throw a tempertantrum and shut down the government when they don't get their way.
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Old 10-09-2013, 07:37 AM
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What's he gonna negotiate on? There is no room for negotiation. The Republicans want to defund. The Senate AND the President said no. He has the power of veto when the House goes off the skids as they have.

The House needs a reality check. They have to get a bill through the Senate AND the President. Seems like they are not in a position to be making demands. And when they make demands, they throw a tempertantrum and shut down the government when they don't get their way.
Let obama veto the bill then the House can override his veto, but Harry Reid is so afraid of that he won't give obama the chance to use his veto power.
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Then the current Administration is guilty of sedition.... delaying of a law, correct? They did so because it suits them to do so.......

Goose and gander. Be careful on what grounds you choose to tread.....
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:58 AM
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Let obama veto the bill then the House can override his veto, but Harry Reid is so afraid of that he won't give obama the chance to use his veto power.
The whole point is that it will never reach his desk. Why is this do complicated to understand? The senate will NOT pass a bill that defunds. Thus the president have to veto. The house needs to figure out what they can get past the senate. That's their job.
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Write to Boehner and your own representatives and tell them to end this mess they created.
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So let's see...

The Republican's can't figure out two against one means they lose in the numbers game.

The House and Senate scrambled to pass the Pay Our Military Act to ensure funding for pay checks but didn't bother to include death benefits.

The DoD points to the law they have to follow and shows they can't pay the benefits until funding is restored.

The House says "Oh, we thought we covered that... well we'll add it." and then does nothing...

And now it's Obama's fault.
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then the congress critter should bite the bullet and pass the budget.
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I don't dispute that the SHOULD be paid. That's not the issue.

The issue is that Obama is getting the blame for yet another Congressional screw up. People need a damned reality check before they open their mouths or type on their keyboards.
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you guys cannot really believe what you are saying; if you have a right to be pizzed at anyone i wud think it's about 40 republicans who are holding their own party /leadership as well as the entire country hostage. where do you get your opinions from?
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Hagel found a loop hole in the law. Obama can't "call up" anybody and put these people back to work unless he usurps the government.
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Why should he sit down with a speaker that won't allow congress to vote on the issue. Obama said he believes there's enough republicans to vote with the democrats. Still, Boehner won't allow a vote maybe because he will win? Sure.
What's the problem with republicans when it says in the 16th amendment that the validity of public debt of the united states shall not be questioned? This was money spent by both parties going back years.
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most of those bills are for departments republicans have cut deeply and are cutting in the existing bill. they didn't think women, infants and children was important then. and disabled vets could eat chit and die till it got to be politically expedient for them. no they made their bed, they can lie in it or get off the high horse.
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I guess you need a civics lesson. Perhaps a lot of people do. That may help people understand what a President CAN and CAN'T do and thus what a President CAN and CAN'T take credit for...
With one simple Executive Order, this could be taken care of. A simple letter written in a couple of minutes would end this and make sure that these folks are given what is theirs. But that isn't happening, now is it?? This is the kind of crap that pisses me off about this. You can blame whomever you want for the shutdown, but stuff like this doesn't HAVE to happen, it's being MADE To happen and the ONLY people with the authority to MAKE it happen are those in the Executive Branch. So you can blame Dems., Reps. or friggin' Rotarians for the shutdown, but there's only ONE place to lay the blame for the DECISION to allow this to happen.
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With one simple Executive Order, this could be taken care of. A simple letter written in a couple of minutes would end this and make sure that these folks are given what is theirs. But that isn't happening, now is it?? This is the kind of crap that pisses me off about this. You can blame whomever you want for the shutdown, but stuff like this doesn't HAVE to happen, it's being MADE To happen and the ONLY people with the authority to MAKE it happen are those in the Executive Branch. So you can blame Dems., Reps. or friggin' Rotarians for the shutdown, but there's only ONE place to lay the blame for the DECISION to allow this to happen.
That would be the House Republicans still. They had all the chances in the world to pass a CR that would have easily cleared the Senate and the president's signature, even with the reductions in spending made compared to the Democrats' plan. But nope, they turned it into a partisan fight. They threw the first punch and here we have conservatives and Republicans and some in the media wondering "Why did the Democrats not just roll over and given into 100% of the demands from the GOP, instead of the 90% they've already conceded? Those Democrats just won't compromise!!".
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That would be the House Republicans still. They had all the chances in the world to pass a CR that would have easily cleared the Senate and the president's signature, even with the reductions in spending made compared to the Democrats' plan. But nope, they turned it into a partisan fight. They threw the first punch and here we have conservatives and Republicans and some in the media wondering "Why did the Democrats not just roll over and given into 100% of the demands from the GOP, instead of the 90% they've already conceded? Those Democrats just won't compromise!!".
Correction............that would be the Senate Democrats..........who have had FIVE YEARS to pass a budget and stop using CRs to fund the government............since we are playing the blame game
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With one simple Executive Order, this could be taken care of. A simple letter written in a couple of minutes would end this and make sure that these folks are given what is theirs. But that isn't happening, now is it?? This is the kind of crap that pisses me off about this. You can blame whomever you want for the shutdown, but stuff like this doesn't HAVE to happen, it's being MADE To happen and the ONLY people with the authority to MAKE it happen are those in the Executive Branch. So you can blame Dems., Reps. or friggin' Rotarians for the shutdown, but there's only ONE place to lay the blame for the DECISION to allow this to happen.
The President cannot appropriate funds via executive order during a shut down as there are no discretionary funds to appropriate. So your assertion is fundamentally flawed.
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That would be the House Republicans still. They had all the chances in the world to pass a CR that would have easily cleared the Senate and the president's signature, even with the reductions in spending made compared to the Democrats' plan. But nope, they turned it into a partisan fight. They threw the first punch and here we have conservatives and Republicans and some in the media wondering "Why did the Democrats not just roll over and given into 100% of the demands from the GOP, instead of the 90% they've already conceded? Those Democrats just won't compromise!!".
Blame, blame, blame!!! How about addressing the fact that the President has the authority to tell the Pentagon to make sure that these payments are being made and he isn't doing it?? Care to discuss that??? I doubt it...
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