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A 19-year Air Force veteran who was relieved of his duties because he disagreed with his openly gay commander over gay marriage is now facing a formal investigation after he told me his story.

Senior Master Sgt. Phillip Monk found himself at odds with his Lackland Air Force Base commander after he objected to her plans to severely punish an instructor who had expressed religious objections to homosexuality. During the conversation, his commander ordered him to share his personal views on homosexuality.

“I was relieved of my position because I don’t agree with my commander’s position on gay marriage,” he told me. “We’ve been told that if you publicly say that homosexuality is wrong, you are in violation of Air Force policy.”
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Last week, Monk was supposed to meet with an Air Force investigator tasked with gathering facts about the complaint. But when he arrived, Monk was immediately read his Miranda Rights and accused of providing false statements in a conversation Monk had with me.

“I immediately got the sense that this was retaliation against me for coming forward with my religious discrimination complaint,” he said.
Hum. Curious that one can be arrested for "making false statements" in a private conversation.

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The accusations against Monk are a court-martial offense in the Air Force – and it’s quite possible that the 19-year veteran with a spotless record could be booted out of the military because of his Christian beliefs.
As always, I'll be curious to see how long it will be until a military Muslim is so charged, since homosexuality is not just a sin under Islam, but actually justification for execution. I'll just time that by counting tree rings.
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I'll wait for the Muslims in the Armed Forces to rise up and demand an end to homosexuality in the Service. This should prove interesting.
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Hum. Curious that one can be arrested for "making false statements" in a private conversation.



As always, I'll be curious to see how long it will be until a military Muslim is so charged, since homosexuality is not just a sin under Islam, but actually justification for execution. I'll just time that by counting tree rings.
as always I'd be interested to know just how far this is taken out of context and what is left out of the spun story.
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As always, I'll be curious to see how long it will be until a military Muslim is so charged, since homosexuality is not just a sin under Islam, but actually justification for execution. I'll just time that by counting tree rings.
With some people trying to bring up Muslims to mask an earnest discussion on the actions of a Christian individual, it reminds me of:

When a Muslim is actually committing what is described here and not punished, perhaps THAT is what you should be looking for instead of this perpetual assumption that Muslims must be already doing it and not being brought up on it.

And FYI, the Bible also has passages about gays being put to death so I wouldn't be so quick to quote a book you can cherry-pick passages from cause it can easily be applied to Christianity as well...

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as always I'd be interested to know just how far this is taken out of context and what is left out of the spun story.
I've seen it time and time again where the right-wing article claims "religious expression" but what it really boils down to is harassment that they want protected based on religion.
It would be fascinating to see if these self-proclaimed Christians took the same approach towards other sins. Commenting on the enlisted guy who is cheating on his wife in foreign ports. Commenting on the Buddhist member who is worshipping false gods. Commenting on the officer who is having sex before marriage.
Nah. Habitually it's the sin of homosexuality they want to target and chastise but the others get a free pass.
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Hum. Curious that one can be arrested for "making false statements" in a private conversation.



As always, I'll be curious to see how long it will be until a military Muslim is so charged, since homosexuality is not just a sin under Islam, but actually justification for execution. I'll just time that by counting tree rings.


I'm going to say the same thing that was said to me for years on these forums concerning the military: the military is not a democracy. The military, by its nature, abrogates certain rights and freedoms of the soldier. When the soldier is on his own time, in his church, in his home and in the private company of civilian friends, he can express any opinion or act he wishes within the boundaries of civilian law. However, when he is in uniform and on duty, he does not get paid to think or have an opinion other than the thoughts, procedures and opinions of the US Armed Forces. The thoughts, procedures and opinions of the US Armed Forces are that homosexuality is a valid lifestyle and gay marriage is not an issue. If he wants to make homosexuality an issue while in uniform, he finds himself divested of agreement with the US Armed Forces and therefore is a liability and useless to the military and his fellow soldiers.

It was a good enough argument when Christians used it against homosexuals in the military when homosexuality was against regulations. Now that it isn't, it's a good enough argument to use against Christians when they try to have their harassment and offensiveness toward homosexuals shielded by their religious freedoms.

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And FYI, the Bible also has passages about gays being put to death so I wouldn't be so quick to quote a book you can cherry-pick passages from cause it can easily be applied to Christianity as well...
Now that you've posted that enlightening tidbit, could you perhaps find it in your heart to post one Muslim country and one Christian country that condemn homosexuals to death and both carry out the sentence? Or am I going to receive another one of those tiresome, "don't you have anything to add to the topic" comebacks? I ask with all due respect.
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Now that you've posted that enlightening tidbit, could you perhaps find it in your heart to post one Muslim country and one Christian country that condemn homosexuals to death and both carry out the sentence? Or am I going to receive another one of those tiresome, "don't you have anything to add to the topic" comebacks? I ask with all due respect.
Again with the Marcia, Marcia, Marcia crap.

I am coming to the realization that when somebody points to the actions of some Christians and they respond with "Bu-bu-bu-bu- Muslims!", that they KNOW that there is something hinky going on...

Regarding your request, it's not really relevant.
We're talking about THIS country, and as such the actions of Christians and Muslims in THIS country are relevant.
Unless OftenCold was possibly whining over Muslims in Iran not having to adhere to the US Air Force policies regarding their members? Which would be ludicrous on multiple levels.


With that said, ...
To broach your comments head-on, I have no doubt that globally comparing countries with more Muslim to countries with more Christians that you'll easily find more countries with more Muslims treating a LOT of people very heinously.
That's not the issue.
We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges here.
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Now that you've posted that enlightening tidbit, could you perhaps find it in your heart to post one Muslim country and one Christian country that condemn homosexuals to death and both carry out the sentence? Or am I going to receive another one of those tiresome, "don't you have anything to add to the topic" comebacks? I ask with all due respect.
Uganda is a Christian country that puts homosexuals to death. It's written in their laws.

Iran, I suppose, would be an example of a Muslim country.
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Again with the Marcia, Marcia, Marcia crap.

I am coming to the realization that when somebody points to the actions of some Christians and they respond with "Bu-bu-bu-bu- Muslims!", that they KNOW that there is something hinky going on...

Regarding your request, it's not really relevant.
We're talking about THIS country, and as such the actions of Christians and Muslims in THIS country are relevant.
Unless OftenCold was possibly whining over Muslims in Iran not having to adhere to the US Air Force policies regarding their members? Which would be ludicrous on multiple levels.


With that said, ...
To broach your comments head-on, I have no doubt that globally comparing countries with more Muslim to countries with more Christians that you'll easily find more countries with more Muslims treating a LOT of people very heinously.
That's not the issue.
We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges here.
You brought up the Bible. Anyway, your reply is irrelevant. Thanks either way.
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Uganda is a Christian country that puts homosexuals to death. It's written in their laws.

Iran, I suppose, would be an example of a Muslim country.
The death penalty is up in the air regarding homosexuality in Uganda, but thanks for the input.

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