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actually that is not all it is based on. I wasnt really taking you seriously because I thought you knew. For example there are survillience sats that took pics of where the artillery was fired from (Assad controlled) and where it landed (not) and chemical findings from the victims, and lots more+witness statements. Why the sudden surge in requirements for proof when bombing the **** out of another cournty? Oh yea, there was that Iraq thing...sorry.
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You would attack another country and simply base it on witness testimony????....

Geeze Louise!!!...How many death penalty cases have been overturned 20 years later based on a withdrawal and falsities of witness testimony?...
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Maybe you would like to tell me who said the rebels launched chemical weapons. Then I will judge their status compared to those who are saying Assad did. So who was it?

VICTIMS OF THE CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACK
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EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

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Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.

By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh | August 29, 2013

Dale Gavlak assisted in the research and writing process of this article, but was not on the ground in Syria. Reporter Yahya Ababneh, with whom the report was written in collaboration, was the correspondent on the ground in Ghouta who spoke directly with the rebels, their family members, victims of the chemical weapons attacks and local residents.

Gavlak is a MintPress News Middle East correspondent who has been freelancing for the AP as a Amman, Jordan correspondent for nearly a decade. This report is not an Associated Press article; rather it is exclusive to MintPress News.

Ghouta, Syria — As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week’s chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.

Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.

The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.”

However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named ‘J’ agreed. “Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material,” he said.

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said.

Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.

The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders added that health workers aiding 3,600 patients also reported experiencing similar symptoms, including frothing at the mouth, respiratory distress, convulsions and blurry vision. The group has not been able to independently verify the information.

More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government.
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Leaked Iranian letter warned US that Syrian rebels have chemical weapons - CSMonitor.com

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Reports of chemical weapons incidents began to multiply at the beginning of 2013, with accusations leveled at both sides but always denied. At the end of May, Turkish media reported the arrest of seven members of the rebel-allied jihadist group Jabhat al-Nusra in two southern Turkish cities, as well as the discovery of two kilograms of sarin gas in the suspects' homes.

UN: Syrian Rebels Used Chemical Weapons -- News from Antiwar.com

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The nerve agent sarin was used by 'the rebels, not by the government authorities'
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United Nations investigators looking into allegations of chemical weapons use in the Syrian conflict say early indications are that the rebel opposition, not the Assad regime, deployed the nerve agent sarin.

The alleged use of chemical weapons drew international attention after President Obama declared it a “red line” for the Assad regime,
crossing which would trigger unspecified military action.
Advocates of intervention into Syria’s civil war
used the allegations to rally support for military action.

But the UN independent commission of inquiry on Syria “has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons,” Reuters reported commission member Carla Del Ponte as saying.

“Our investigators have been in neighbouring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” Del Ponte said in an interview.

“This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities,” she added.

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Mint Press huh? Sounds delicious.
I'm sorry you are so naive that you think the Syrian Al Qaeda Terrorist Rebels are any kind of good guys here.

You condone their cannibalism
You overlook the Terrorist Rebels chemical weapons use

You have no credibility left if you can do the above for the sake of your worship of Obama.

I guess you feel that Reuters, Anti-War and CSM are all biased too. lol
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I'm sorry you are so naive that you think the Syrian Al Qaeda Terrorist Rebels are any kind of good guys here.

You condone their cannibalism
You overlook the Terrorist Rebels chemical weapons use

You have no credibility left if you can do the above for the sake of your worship of Obama.

I guess you fell that Reuters, Anti-War and CSM are all biased too. lol
You sure get all wound up don't ya? I am not supporting the rebels. Do you even read what I write? I could give a rats ass about what they do. I was talking about what Assad did. Assad he the head of state where he has killed his own people with chemicals. That has nothing to do with what the rebels do.
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Mint Press huh? Sounds delicious.
I thought you mentioned Glen Beck. Boy, were you wrong.

I can find more unbiased links to the Syrian Al Qaeda Rebels use of Chemical Weapons if you like.

Your dumb ass President is going to go to Syria to help the very terrorists we have been fighting for the past 12 years. It must really suck to be an Obot.
How embarrassing to have voted for a traitor to the United States.
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You sure get all wound up don't ya? I am not supporting the rebels. Do you even read what I write? I could give a rats ass about what they do. I was talking about what Assad did. Assad he the head of state where he has killed his own people with chemicals. That has nothing to do with what the rebels do.
So when the Rebels kill their own people, which they do, in addition to killing Christians, that is okay
but when Assad (who isn't killing Christians) does the same, that is wrong. Wow

If I had to pick a side, I would side with Assad and the Russians
over Al Qaeda and the Christian killing cannibal Rebels.
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BBC News - UN's Del Ponte says evidence Syria rebels 'used sarin'

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Testimony from victims of the conflict in Syria suggests rebels have used the nerve agent, sarin, a leading member of a UN commission of inquiry has said.

Carla Del Ponte told Swiss TV that there were "strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof".

Ms Del Ponte did not rule out the possibility that government forces might also have used chemical weapons.

Later, the commission stressed that it had "not reached conclusive findings" as to their use by any parties.

"As a result, the commission is not in a position to further comment on the allegations at this time," a statement added.

The BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Geneva says the statement was terse and shows that the UN was taken by surprise at Ms Del Ponte's remarks.

The Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria was established in August 2011 to examine alleged violations of human rights in the Syrian uprising. It is due to issue its latest report next month.

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In an interview with Swiss-Italian TV on Sunday, Ms Del Ponte, who serves as a commissioner on the panel, said: "Our investigators have been in neighbouring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals.

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This is not the first time rebel forces in Syria have come under suspicion for using chemical weapons.

The Syrian government has accused them, and some independent commentators have speculated some groups could conceivably have got hold of stocks when storming government facilities.

But allegations about sarin nerve agent use, possibly by Syrian rebels, coming from a senior UN official is a different matter. Carla del Ponte is a former war crimes prosecutor and serves on a UN commission looking into human rights abuses in Syria. So any comments from her carry weight.

However, this is hardly a formal UN position. She was speaking informally in TV and radio interviews, and freely admits that looking at the use of chemical weapons in Syria is not part of her remit.

All her team did was collect testimony, which they will now, no doubt, pass on to the separate UN team of weapons inspectors waiting in Cyprus for permission to enter Syria to make a full investigation.

In the meantime her comments are likely to make Western governments even more cautious in their preliminary assessments.

"According to their report of last week, which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated."

Sarin, a colourless, odourless liquid or gas which can cause respiratory arrest and death, is classed as a weapon of mass destruction and is banned under international law.

Ms Del Ponte, a former Swiss attorney-general and prosecutor with the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), did not rule out the possibility that troops loyal to President Bashar al-Assad might also have used chemical weapons, but said further investigation was needed.

"I was a little bit stupefied by the first indications we got... they were about the use of nerve gas by the opposition," she said.

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