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the center of a quebec town has been wiped out, according to the mayor, after a runaway freight train carrying crude oil derailed and exploded in a fireball at 1am on saturday.

One person was killed and about 30 buildings were destroyed as the unmanned train exploded. About 60 people are believed to be missing, but the force of the fire has slowed rescue efforts.

Parts of the town were evacuated in the early hours as fireballs shot several metres in the air, flames spread to nearby homes and thick acrid smoke filled the air in lac-megantic, which is close to the maine border and about 250km from montreal.

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it seems to be one thing after another more bad news
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update.......

Quebec police: 5 dead in oil train derailment

From The Detroit News: Quebec police: 5 dead in oil train derailment | The Detroit News


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Lac-Megantic, Quebec — As firefighters doused still burning oil tanker cars, more bodies were recovered Sunday in this devastated town in eastern Quebec, raising the death toll to five after a runaway train derailed, igniting explosions and fires that destroyed the downtown district. With dozens of people reported missing, authorities expected to find more bodies once they reached the hardest-hit area.

Quebec provincial police Lt. Michel Brunet said Sunday that at least 40 people are reported missing, but cautioned that the number could fluctuate up or down. Brunet confirmed two more deaths early Sunday afternoon after confirming two people were found dead overnight. One death was confirmed Saturday.

Fires were preventing rescuers from reaching part of the 73-car train, and billowing black smoke could still be seen long after the derailment.

The eruptions early Saturday morning sent residents of Lac-Megantic scrambling through the streets under the intense heat of towering fireballs and a red glow that illuminated the night sky.

Local Fire Chief Denis Lauzon likened the charred scene to “a war zone.”

“This is really terrible. Our community is grieving and it is taking its toll on us,” Mayor Colette Roy-Laroche said.

The search for victims in the charred debris was hampered because two of the train’s cars were still burning Sunday morning, sparking fears of more potentially fatal blasts.

Two of the five cars that exploded are still on fire 36 hours later, Lauzon said. He said firefighters are staying 500 feet from the burning tankers, which are being doused with water and foam to keep them from overheating and exploding.

“It’s a mess,” he said.

The multiple blasts came over a span of several hours in the town of 6,000, which is about 155 miles east of Montreal and about 10 miles west of the Maine border. About 30 buildings were destroyed after tanker cars laden with oil caught fire in the picturesque lakeside town in Quebec’s Eastern Townships.

The derailment caused several tanker rail cars to explode in the downtown district, a popular area packed with bars that often bustles on summer weekend nights. Police said the first explosion tore through the town shortly after 1 a.m. local time. The fire then spread to several homes.

Brunet said he couldn’t say where the bodies were found exactly because the families have not been notified.
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Update - You're not gonna believe this sh*t...

90 minutes before the train crashed, there was a small fire on the train...Firefighters came in out put it out...

The train crew intentionally keep the bakes on during this small fire so the train wouldn't roll, so they were under the impression the brakes were still on afterward...But the firefighters disabled them...

...and they didn't tell the railway they did it...They just said "Fire's out!" and left..

Brakes had been disabled in fatal oil train crash

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The air brakes on the runaway oil train that devastated a Quebec town early Saturday had been disabled by firefighters who were called to extinguish a blaze aboard one of the locomotives 90 minutes before the disaster, the head of the railway said Monday.

The news came as authorities recovered eight more bodies from the devastation in Lac-Megantic, raising the death toll to 13, with about 40 people still missing and feared dead.

The train exploded in a series of fireballs after it careened eight miles down a sloping track and derailed about 1 a.m. ET Saturday. All but one of the 73 tanker cars were carrying crude oil from North Dakota to a refinery in New Brunswick, and at least five exploded.

Volunteer firefighters in nearby Nantes had been called about 11:30 p.m. Friday to extinguish a blaze in one of the five locomotives, Fire Chief Patrick Lambert toldThe Montreal Gazette.

He told Reuters that firefighters had shut down the locomotive while they battled the fire, which was apparently caused by a broken oil or fuel line. But the train's crew had left the engine idling to keep the air brakes pressurized so the train wouldn't roll, said Ed Burkhardt, chairman of Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway.

Lambert said the local railway dispatcher was contacted to report the engine fire had been put out. "We told them what we did and how we did it," he said.

"There was no discussion of the brakes at that time," he added. "We were there for the train fire. As for the inspection of the train after the fact, that was up to them."
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Update - You're not gonna believe this sh*t...

90 minutes before the train crashed, there was a small fire on the train...Firefighters came in out put it out...

The train crew intentionally keep the bakes on during this small fire so the train wouldn't roll, so they were under the impression the brakes were still on afterward...But the firefighters disabled them...

...and they didn't tell the railway they did it...They just said "Fire's out!" and left..

Brakes had been disabled in fatal oil train crash
On one hand that was pretty dumb to disable the brakes and not let everyone know. On the other it's pretty dumb to have a fire and not check the entire trains operating systems before rolling out again.
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Saw the coverage on the news;it looked like the appocolypse.
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On one hand that was pretty dumb to disable the brakes and not let everyone know. On the other it's pretty dumb to have a fire and not check the entire trains operating systems before rolling out again.
The firemen shut off the engine that was on fire to stop the flow of diesel that was burning. By doing so they allowed the air to bleed down and the brakes released and the down grade allowed the train to roll away from where it was parked. Nobody was on the train. The crew was in the hotel as their limit of hours had been met. The engines made it through the town and only stopped further down the tracks when it lost momentum. One girl said it was on fire as it passed her at a high rate of speed before derailing.
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The firemen shut off the engine that was on fire to stop the flow of diesel that was burning. By doing so they allowed the air to bleed down and the brakes released and the down grade allowed the train to roll away from where it was parked. Nobody was on the train. The crew was in the hotel as their limit of hours had been met. The engines made it through the town and only stopped further down the tracks when it lost momentum. One girl said it was on fire as it passed her at a high rate of speed before derailing.
Whoa, that's new information. So the firemen disabled the train and just let it roll off?
And after the fire nobody working for the train secured it?
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Actually people I have just had something dawn on me.

Air brakes are reliant on air pressure to release, they are not reliant on air pressure to engage as the lack of air pressure causes them to remain locked.

It takes a certain amount of air pressure to disengage the brakes not the other way around. If you lose all air pressure to an air brake system the brakes are locked.

Air brakes are in a constant state of being on full unless there is air pressure to release them. At least that is true with trucks, I can't imagine it would be different with trains.
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Actually people I have just had something dawn on me.

Air brakes are reliant on air pressure to release, they are not reliant on air pressure to engage as the lack of air pressure causes them to remain locked.

It takes a certain amount of air pressure to disengage the brakes not the other way around. If you lose all air pressure to an air brake system the brakes are locked.

Air brakes are in a constant state of being on full unless there is air pressure to release them. At least that is true with trucks, I can't imagine it would be different with trains.
shouldn't think it would be different,since it is a safety-Factor inherent in Airbrakes in general!
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