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Great idea, wait until the Obamacare rule penalizing doctors for referring patients to specialists is implemented. Wait until the new Obamacare taxes drive medical innovation and technology overseas. And the people who die needlessly from Obamacare "savings?" They will not be around to object.

No problem Winger and then it might actually do what it is claimed to do. People died needlessly under the previous system of for profit health care. Will see which system works best and if Obamacare fails I expect to see a single payer system like Medicare for all in the future if it does. I sure don't see us going back the "good old days" nor do I want to either. They really weren't that good if you honestly look back at the last 50 years either.
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So far only a few things have kicked in with kids getting to stay on their parents insurance longer, seniors getting a break on medications and no more uninsurable when buying insurance
In other words, the bill waas heavily front-loaded, with all the candy upfront, and all the spinach to come later...
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No problem Winger and then it might actually do what it is claimed to do. People died needlessly under the previous system of for profit health care. Will see which system works best and if Obamacare fails I expect to see a single payer system like Medicare for all in the future if it does. I sure don't see us going back the "good old days" nor do I want to either. They really weren't that good if you honestly look back at the last 50 years either.
And just like that you inadvertently hit the truth. obamacare was meant to fail so the democrats can ram through universal care, which means poorer service and high costs.
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I've got news, old as they can get, for those who think they have the right that others will provide for them. And a question.

Where, in Zeus's butthole, did you dig up that dumb idea that others have to provide the means to provide for any rights you say you have?
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In other words, the bill waas heavily front-loaded, with all the candy upfront, and all the spinach to come later...
Actually the bill is loaded up to help the insurance and pharmaceutical industries by giving them almost everyone being covered and no limit to the costs of drugs or insurance other than supply and demand which no longer really works all that well with insurance.

I don't know where people get the idea I like it, I don't but I'm on medicare so I'm not really affected. However if I wasn't I would of preferred a different system for sure.
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And just like that you inadvertently hit the truth. obamacare was meant to fail so the democrats can ram through universal care, which means poorer service and high costs.
Really Liberty? Fact is I was uninsurable for decades until I got on Medicare now I can get medical treatment first and for a reasonable cost secondly. Something I didn't have for well over 40 years. If you compare the numbers for Medicare to our previous plan you will see it is both cheaper and more effective, especially when it comes to preventive care and not waiting till people are damn near dead before seeing a doctor. That is also a fact in other countries that have similar systems.
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Really Liberty? Fact is I was uninsurable for decades until I got on Medicare now I can get medical treatment first and for a reasonable cost secondly. Something I didn't have for well over 40 years. If you compare the numbers for Medicare to our previous plan you will see it is both cheaper and more effective, especially when it comes to preventive care and not waiting till people are damn near dead before seeing a doctor. That is also a fact in other countries that have similar systems.
And, they're going broke. Also, what people pay in medicare doesn't even begin to cover the cost of what doctors and hospitals charge. If everyone were to go on medicare the system would be broke within five years.
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And, they're going broke. Also, what people pay in medicare doesn't even begin to cover the cost of what doctors and hospitals charge. If everyone were to go on medicare the system would be broke within five years.
Really perhaps if insurance companies didn't exist it would be at least 50% cheaper as that is about what they charge for every dollar taken in to manage it. Never mind pharmaceuticals as the Veterans and other countries get the same meds we do for a lot less cost because they can negotiate in bulk prices while medicare and other people can't.
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Actually the bill is loaded up to help the insurance and pharmaceutical industries by giving them almost everyone being covered and no limit to the costs of drugs or insurance other than supply and demand which no longer really works all that well with insurance.
It was frontloaded with goodies that have broad public appeal, such as an end to pre-existing-condition exclusions (which I do favor), an end to annual caps (which I also favor), and the ability to keep one's college-age offspring on the family plan until age 27 (as regarding which, I have no strong feelings).

The hidden taxes (including taxes on medical devices; which are certain to be passed along to the consumer); the certainty of longer waiting times; and other disagreeable aspects of ObamaCare, have been (quite carefully, I believe) hidden until later...

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I don't know where people get the idea I like it, I don't but I'm on medicare so I'm not really affected. However if I wasn't I would of preferred a different system for sure.
Full disclosure: I, too, have Medicare (Part A, anyway), in addition to Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

But I expect to be affected, nonetheless. And not only in the ways mentioned in the paragraph above; but additionally (if President Obama were somehow to get a Democrat-controlled House for the latter part of his second term), through the eventual enactment of UHC...
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Who knows since like everyone else I have no idea how it will turn out in the end. I'm holding final opinion on it till I know what happens when it is fully enacted in another year.

We could of adopted and system like England, France, Norway or any number of countries around the world with better systems than us including like Norway that are all much cheaper than ours with better results.
One would think that if one supported a bill one would have some clue as to how it could possibly be helpful to anyone.

And no, their systems aren't better, cheaper, or with better results. Their systems are slow, crowded, long waits, rationed, and with limited medication. On top of that, they're going broke - despite the high taxes.
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