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Old 06-08-2013, 09:39 PM
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What costs, exactly, did the ACA address to make them affordable?

None.

So, prepaying insurance, no matter if it is used or not, for a couple of million people, is less expensive than paying for an ER on an as needed basis.

No.

You honestly think ER visits is what has driven up health insurance?
nope. insurance companies using AHCA as an excuse is what is driving them. that way the public is deflected from actually thinking about that problem.
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:55 PM
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DUH, it is fact ER visits are the least paid for, hence the cost are passed of to those with insurance. Don't take my word for it read the reports posted by a number of groups to that fact. Never mind it is the single most expensive form of health care in this country and probably on the planet.
And how is obamacare going to fix that?
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We will see won't we as it still has another year before it kicks in completely now so give it a chance before you wine about it. I'm not a fan of this system but give it a chance already before you condemn it as it seems you haven't read the bill nor knows what it does. Besides it can be tuned over time to lower the cost, and again we will see.
Tuned to lower the cost is denial of care to satisfy the demands of Federal political appointees and bureaucrats. President Obama with no medical expertise somehow feels qualified to tell use we are better off taking pain pills than having an operation to correct the problem. Tom Daschle his first choice for HHS secretary bemoans the "arms race" of hospitals and clinics competing offer the latest diagnostic equipment. The horror is that doctors can base treatment on better diagnostic information. But according to Daschle this is bad because it raises the overall cost of medical care.

The answer is to discourage the manufacture of advanced diagnostic equipment with a tax surcharge. Keep the doctor ignorant so they can help patients less. That is exactly what Obamacare does. Lower quality care at lower cost.

Of course the liberal elites like Senator Kennedy have access to the latest technology like proton beam therapy to keep him alive another 2 months. Cost is no concern if you have the right connections.
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Did you ever stop and think it might be assumed in things like the Declaration of Independence and later the Constitution in the right of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness? Not every detail is spelled out in the constitution but always assumed I had a right to medical attention when my life was threatened be it foreign, domestic or due to health.
(1) The Declaration of Independence is not our governing document.

(2) The US Constitution says nothing about any right to the aforementioned things.

(3) In any case, the left likes to take very vague language (from the latter part of the eighteenth century) and interpret that language in ways that might be quite congenial to twenty-first century progressive thinking; but which is entirely untethered from the meaning intended at the time.
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I'm not a fan of this system but give it a chance already before you condemn it as it seems you haven't read the bill nor knows what it does.
You mean, like our congresscritters read it before they voted for it?

Oh, that's right: They never did read it, prior to voting for it.

In fact, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi opined that their actually reading the bill before voting on it would be quite unnecessary. (Congress just needed to pass the bill; after which, we could see what is in it, she assured us.)
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We will see won't we as it still has another year before it kicks in completely now so give it a chance before you wine about it. I'm not a fan of this system but give it a chance already before you condemn it as it seems you haven't read the bill nor knows what it does. Besides it can be tuned over time to lower the cost, and again we will see.
No I haven't read all 2,000 pages or the 20,000 pages they've written so far to try and explain the 2,000 pages and I'd be willing to bet a large sum that you haven't either. It's pretty hypocritical to suggest I don't know what is in the bill when it is so obvious you know even less.
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No I haven't read all 2,000 pages or the 20,000 pages they've written so far to try and explain the 2,000 pages and I'd be willing to bet a large sum that you haven't either. It's pretty hypocritical to suggest I don't know what is in the bill when it is so obvious you know even less.
No I haven't read nor have you though I tried as they where writing it. I never did say I did as I don't know any more about it than you do that is the point. So far only a few things have kicked in with kids getting to stay on their parents insurance longer, seniors getting a break on medications and no more uninsurable when buying insurance. I also clearly stated a number of times I'm not a fan of what I understand but again I can't tell the future so don't bitch and whine about it but will when it does something that doesn't work.
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And how is obamacare going to fix that?
Who knows since like everyone else I have no idea how it will turn out in the end. I'm holding final opinion on it till I know what happens when it is fully enacted in another year.

We could of adopted and system like England, France, Norway or any number of countries around the world with better systems than us including like Norway that are all much cheaper than ours with better results.
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Who knows since like everyone else I have no idea how it will turn out in the end. I'm holding final opinion on it till I know what happens when it is fully enacted in another year.

We could of adopted and system like England, France, Norway or any number of countries around the world with better systems than us including like Norway that are all much cheaper than ours with better results.
Great idea, wait until the Obamacare rule penalizing doctors for referring patients to specialists is implemented. Wait until the new Obamacare taxes drive medical innovation and technology overseas. And the people who die needlessly from Obamacare "savings?" They will not be around to object.
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No I haven't read nor have you though I tried as they where writing it. I never did say I did as I don't know any more about it than you do that is the point. So far only a few things have kicked in with kids getting to stay on their parents insurance longer, seniors getting a break on medications and no more uninsurable when buying insurance. I also clearly stated a number of times I'm not a fan of what I understand but again I can't tell the future so don't bitch and whine about it but will when it does something that doesn't work.
So discussing the problems and offering expert opinions is bitching and whining? To you, any criticism of Obamacare is bitching and whining even if it is warranted.

Obamacare is already raising the cost of insurance when we were told it would lower it. Myself and millions of others have been told our plan is going to go away next year when we were promised we could keep our insurance if we wanted to. Anybody with one half a brain should realize that adding 30,000,000 people to our insurance program is going to raise costs. You'd have to be a fool to believe otherwise. But according to you, discussing these problems is bitching and whining. Ridiculous.
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