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We will see. One thing mentioned (separate matter) during the tax hearings applies in a lot of this. And that is the cooperation and backing of the American people. It makes it easier for regulators to reign in excesses if the public is aware of their rights and inboard in the matter,not still trying to get the thing repealed.
It would be a lot easier if we would all just knuckle under to the will of Federal bureaucrats who will determine our ration of health care. It doesn't matter that the cabal of appointed politicians will set reimbursement rates so low it will squeeze off the supply of providers. Health care expenditures are reduced if you die while waiting in line.
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The indicators I was talking about have nothing to do with other contries, but you can compare ours with other countries if you like. The RW has spent years telling scary stories and lies about UHC. If it makes you feel any better, almost every thing you fear is not true.
What is true is that Obamacare places health care decisions in the hands of political appointees charged with "fairness" and cost reduction. Under Obamacare's principle s of fairness younger healthier people who tend to have lower incomes will pay the same premiums as older sicker folks, if we just pretend insurance underwriting doesn't exist then it will be OK. There ?is no need to fear a reduction in care because Obamacare penalizes physicians for exceeding an arbitrary and ever decreasing number of referrals to specialists or after pressuring hospitals to minimize patient stays it penalizes them for readmission.

Obamacare's big lie is that it will increase health care delivery while reducing overall costs. Insurance coverage doesn't mean delivered health care. Cost reduction is achieved by death panels following President Obama's advice that "sometimes you are better off taking the pain pills than having an operation to fix the problem." Of course for the Federal government aristocracy making these decisions these constraints do not apply.
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The Affordable Health Care Act is aptly named. It is affordable to the 20 or 30 million who have no health care insurance, they will pay nothing. It is the rest of us who are going to take it up the arse.

Of course we do not have enough doctors to cover everyone, and some doctors will quit the profession because of the unruly mess congress caused, but hell, 30 million more people have insurance, it just won't cover anything.
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Death panels? Really? I promised my self not ot make fun of you guys with the death panels anymore but you brought it up. UHC, which ideally ADA is leading us to, is based evidence based medicine, not fairness or whatever your other talking point are. Death panels is one of the dumbest lies the RW believes. I am really not up to discussing a health care system with someone with such simplistic ideas.
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What is true is that Obamacare places health care decisions in the hands of political appointees charged with "fairness" and cost reduction. Under Obamacare's principle s of fairness younger healthier people who tend to have lower incomes will pay the same premiums as older sicker folks, if we just pretend insurance underwriting doesn't exist then it will be OK. There ?is no need to fear a reduction in care because Obamacare penalizes physicians for exceeding an arbitrary and ever decreasing number of referrals to specialists or after pressuring hospitals to minimize patient stays it penalizes them for readmission.

Obamacare's big lie is that it will increase health care delivery while reducing overall costs. Insurance coverage doesn't mean delivered health care. Cost reduction is achieved by death panels following President Obama's advice that "sometimes you are better off taking the pain pills than having an operation to fix the problem." Of course for the Federal government aristocracy making these decisions these constraints do not apply.
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I think it is horrible 20 million people in US have no healthcare.
Everyone in the US has access to healthcare.

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Death panels? Really? I promised my self not ot make fun of you guys with the death panels anymore but you brought it up. UHC, which ideally ADA is leading us to, is based evidence based medicine, not fairness or whatever your other talking point are. Death panels is one of the dumbest lies the RW believes. I am really not up to discussing a health care system with someone with such simplistic ideas.
I know right? That would NEVER happen!

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So you propose all teatment be available to all patients, like the system we have now?
Of course all treatments should be available to all people. Anything less than that is inherently wrong and barbaric. Individuals and their doctors should determine treatments and procedures without ANY interference from any government entity.
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Death panels? Really? I promised my self not ot make fun of you guys with the death panels anymore but you brought it up. UHC, which ideally ADA is leading us to, is based evidence based medicine, not fairness or whatever your other talking point are. Death panels is one of the dumbest lies the RW believes. I am really not up to discussing a health care system with someone with such simplistic ideas.
That you are unable to raise a rebuttal to what you characterize as simplistic misunderstandings of Obamacare illustrates the bankruptcy of your intellect. Indeed, all you can offer is insults.

I'll start you with something simple. Explain the medical evidence supporting the Obamacare rule penalizing with a 5% reduction for all Medicare patients for doctors in the top 10% of specialist referrals. It is an insidious rule that penalizes doctors for their healthcare decisions based on an ever decreasing number of referrals and discourages treatment of sicker individuals.

Please expose the simplistic error by explaining the medical evidence supporting this Obamacare rule.
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Actually I was just trapping you. I really dont want to get too involved in a prolonged discussion about something as involved as the US health care system with someone who thinks all medical treatments should be available to the highest bidder. That would be cruel and inhumane to everyone, including the highest bidder.
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That you are unable to raise a rebuttal to what you characterize as simplistic misunderstandings of Obamacare illustrates the bankruptcy of your intellect. Indeed, all you can offer is insults.

I'll start you with something simple. Explain the medical evidence supporting the Obamacare rule penalizing with a 5% reduction for all Medicare patients for doctors in the top 10% of specialist referrals. It is an insidious rule that penalizes doctors for their healthcare decisions based on an ever decreasing number of referrals and discourages treatment of sicker individuals.

Please expose the simplistic error by explaining the medical evidence supporting this Obamacare rule.
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