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Old 02-13-2013, 02:50 AM
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Default California Fugitive Is Believed to Have Died in Blaze

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/us...tout.html?_r=0
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BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. — After a shootout and a forest standoff on Tuesday afternoon, Christopher J. Dorner, the former Los Angeles police officer sought in the region’s largest manhunt, was apparently killed in a cabin as it burned down around him, but officials said they needed time to sort through the rubble.
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At 11 p.m., the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office released a statement, saying that “charred human remains” had been located inside the burned-out cabin. Though the remains were not identified as those of Mr. Dorner — “identification will be attempted through forensic means,” the statement said — there is little doubt they are his.
Well, what can you say but, "well done?"


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“We believe he was still inside the cabin” when it went up in flames, Cindy Bachman, a spokeswoman for the sheriff’s office, said earlier during a news conference in Angelus Oaks, six miles from the scene. Mr. Dorner, a self-described survivalist believed to be heavily armed, had holed up in the rental cabin hours earlier and engaged deputies in a shootout, killing one deputy and wounding a second.

Interestingly, the words "democrat," "liberal," "leftist," "extremist," "progressive," and "manifesto." all seem to be missing from this article. Go figure!

Oh, and the word "black" doesn't appear in it either, as in "police shoot black suspect, racism suspected." I guess that only happened in States with Republican governors these days, and with suspects that don't embarrass the Left.
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Expect Doerner's homicidal rampage to be used as justification for additional gun control. The only "reasonable" response to a well armed psychopath is disarming the law abiding. It is obvious someone intent on engaging in warfare against the police department would have been stopped by fear of violating gun laws.
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Why does everything have to be an indictment of the "left"? Why can't we just say he was a psycho out for revenge and be done with it? I don't understand where his personal politics come into play.

I haven't heard a thing about his personal politics until this thread.
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Why does everything have to be an indictment of the "left"? Why can't we just say he was a psycho out for revenge and be done with it? I don't understand where his personal politics come into play.

I haven't heard a thing about his personal politics until this thread.
Then you haven't been paying attention...........

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To be more precise regarding actual relevance, do you think he killed people because he likes Obama and/or believes in gun control?

Because if the answer is "No", then fixating on such attributes is obviously a slimy tactic.
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Folks should be concerned with the tactics used to destroy and burn the cabin.They had no intentions of taking him into custody and have a trial. There was a reason they forced the news choppers to leave the area before they tore down the cabin with him in it. Not condoning what he did but the methods used since Waco run unchecked despite the results they yield.
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Folks should be concerned with the tactics used to destroy and burn the cabin.They had no intentions of taking him into custody and have a trial. There was a reason they forced the news choppers to leave the area before they tore down the cabin with him in it. Not condoning what he did but the methods used since Waco run unchecked despite the results they yield.
I agree that they had a vested interest in seeing him dead rather than bringing him in for a trial.

I believe the man had genuine grievances. I don't believe in his tactics but I do completely believe he had information and gripes that would have been embarassing for LAPD. LAPD isn't exactly your "protect and serve" kind of law enforcement organization.
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To be more precise regarding actual relevance, do you think he killed people because he likes Obama and/or believes in gun control?

Because if the answer is "No", then fixating on such attributes is obviously a slimy tactic.
I only answered another poster who said they had not heard of his political affiliations. It has been part of the story since this started as is the large number of people who were supporting him. I made no other comment. Seems you want to make more out of what I posted than was really there.
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I guess he included all his thoughts he wanted to leave for posterity if he knew he would die soon, but the manifesto mostly stresses how a woman officer kicked a retarded suspect after he had been handcuffed and how internal affairs screwed him over after he reported it (crossing the blue line). And about his taking up for others name called in training and how a couple other officers regularly use the n word in black neighborhoods and when he called a guy on it the guy called him one...
stuff like that.

My take on the whole thing is dont call names if you are older than second grade because not only is that silly and unethical, but you never know who you might be dealing with that just might be at that last snapping point..
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Well, what can you say but, "well done?"


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Interestingly, the words "democrat," "liberal," "leftist," "extremist," "progressive," and "manifesto." all seem to be missing from this article. Go figure!

Oh, and the word "black" doesn't appear in it either, as in "police shoot black suspect, racism suspected." I guess that only happened in States with Republican governors these days, and with suspects that don't embarrass the Left.

Was he a liberal? Was he "leftist"? Was he a political "extremist"?

Christopher Dorner looks like the imageof moderation. His writing cites popular media figures such as Piers Morgan and Chris Matthews. Not Karl Mark or Mao.

He is strongly pro-American: "Revoke the citizenship of Fareed Zakaria and deport him," he says of the Indian-American journalist, "I've never heard a positive word about America or its interest from his mouth, ever."

He likes Chris Christie, Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, and even George H.W. Bush. He sat out the 2012 election because the candidate he supported, Jon Huntsman, did not win in the Republican primaries.

He was a gun-control advocate who used the very loopholes in gun laws to procure weapons and silencers.

From: Christopher Dorner, The Unlikely Gun Control Advocate
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Dorner may be dead, but he left behind a troubling, crazed manifesto containing grave allegations against his former colleagues at the LAPD, whom he accuses of racism and other offenses ranging from stealing money from drug dealers to sadistically hurting civilians in police custody. The allegations so grave, in fact, the Los Angeles Police Department has opened an internal investigation into Dorner’s 2008 dismissal, the pivotal incident that -- at least in the words of the suspect -- led directly to the rampage.
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The manifesto isn’t destined for the annals of literature. It's an 18-page deluge of Pentagon jargon, bureaucratese and soldier-speak that would make even the geekiest Tom Clancy reader have to Google a few of the more obscure acronyms. It's also in large part a lengthy catalog of personal slights and a record of episodes of racism and brutality -- some quite disturbing -- that the writer alleges took place before his eyes and were either ignored or investigated half-heartedly. The document is notable for its deranged, vengeful tone more than for its political content.

(The conservative blogosphere has jumped on Dorner’s positive words for Barack Obama, but this misses the point entirely. Conservatives hoping to find an Obama-supporting, black-power radical in Christopher Dorner will be disappointed to learn he liked George H. W. Bush, too, and openly said that his candidate in 2012 was Republican Jon Huntsman -- and he wrote that he didn’t vote in the last presidential election because his man didn't make it past the primaries.)

But if that news isn't enough of a surprise, then the real story in Dorner’s crazy manifesto is this: his enthusiastic, uncompromising support of gun control.
So what we have is the usual hypocritical attempt to politicize a tragedy and paint something far darker in the colors of partisan politics.
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