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Former CIA agent John Kiriakou speaks out just days after he was sentenced to 30 months in prison, becoming the first CIA official to face jail time for any reason relating to the U.S. torture program. Under a plea deal, Kiriakou admitted to a single count of violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act by revealing the identity of a covert officer to a freelance reporter, who did not publish it. Supporters say Kiriakou is being unfairly targeted for having been the first CIA official to publicly confirm and detail the Bush administration’s use of waterboarding. Kiriakou joins us to discuss his story from Washington, D.C., along with his attorney, Jesselyn Radack, director of National Security & Human Rights at the Government Accountability Project. "This ... was not a case about leaking; this was a case about torture. And I believe I’m going to prison because I blew the whistle on torture," Kiriakou says. "My oath was to the Constitution. … And to me, torture is unconstitutional." [inlcudes rush transcript]
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Do we see a pattern here?

Does the state vs you seem a bit clearer to any of us.
the state protect those who commit crimes for the state but punishes those that accuse the state of wrong doing.

D or R does it really matter?

Agent Kiriakou and many others like him follow the law is compassionate and sane unlike the L.A. cop who -by his account- exposed the states/police similar abuses and was punished as well.
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I think his sentence should be reviewed but he knew the law and broke it.
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JOHN KIRIAKOU: Sure. In 2002, I was the chief of counterterrorism operations for the CIA in Pakistan, and my job was to try to locate al-Qaeda fighters or al-Qaeda leaders and capture them, to turn them over to the Justice Department and have them face trial. That was the original—the original idea, not to have them sit in Cuba for the next decade.
But we caught Abu Zubaydah. He was shot three times by Pakistani police as he was trying to escape from his safe house. And I was the first person to have custody of him, to sit with him. We spoke to each other extensively, I mean, talked about everything from September 11th to poetry that he had been writing, to his family. And then he was moved on to a secret prison after that. Once I got back to headquarters, I heard that he had been subject to harsh techniques, then euphemistically called "enhanced interrogation techniques," and I was asked by one of the leaders in the CIA’s Counterterrorist Center if I wanted to be trained in the use of these techniques. I told him that I had a moral problem with them, and I did not want to be involved.
So, fast-forward to 2007. By then, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International had reported that al-Qaeda prisoners had been tortured, and ABC News called and said that they had information that I had tortured Abu Zubaydah. I said that was absolutely untrue. I was the only person who was kind to Abu Zubaydah, and I had never tortured anybody. So, they asked me to go on their show and defend myself. I did that. And in the course of the interview, I said that not only was the CIA torturing prisoners, but that it was official U.S. government policy. This was not the result of some rogue CIA officer just beating up a prisoner every once in a while; this was official policy that went all the way up to the president of the United States.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: And so, what happened after that, in 2007, once you gave this interview? Can you explain what happened to you and to your family?

JOHN KIRIAKOU: Sure. Within 24 hours, the CIA filed what’s called a crimes report against me with the Justice Department, saying that I had revealed classified information, which was the torture program, and asking for an investigation with an eye toward prosecuting me. The Justice Department decided at the time that I had not revealed classified information, that the information was already in the public domain. But immediately, within weeks, I was audited by the IRS. I’ve been audited by the IRS every single year since giving that interview in 2007.

But a more important bit of fallout from that interview was that every time I would write an op-ed, every time I would give a television interview or give a speech at a university, the CIA would file a crimes report against me, accusing me of leaking additional classified information. Each time, the Justice Department determined that I did not leak any classified information. In fact, I would get those op-eds and those speeches cleared by the CIA’s Publications Review Board in advance.
Then the CIA started harassing my wife, who at the time was a senior CIA officer, particularly over an op-ed I had written. They accused her of leaking classified information to me for the purpose of writing the op-ed. Well, I said I had gotten the information in the op-ed from two UPI reports and from a South American Ministry of Foreign Affairs website. And they would back off.
But this sort of became our life. We would be under FBI surveillance. She would be called into the CIA’s Office of Security. I would have trouble getting a security clearance when I went to Capitol Hill. It just became this pattern of harassment.

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NERMEEN SHAIKH: John Kiriakou, I want to play for you comments President Obama made four years ago, shortly before he took office, about whether CIA officials involved in torture should be prosecuted. He appeared on the ABC News’ This Week.
PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA: I don’t believe that anybody is above the law. On the other hand, I also have a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards. And part of my job is to make sure that—for example, at the CIA, you’ve got extraordinarily talented people who are working very hard to keep Americans safe. I don’t want them to suddenly feel like they’ve got to spend all their time looking over their shoulders and lawyering.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: So no 9/11 Commission with independent subpoena power?
PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA: You know, we have not made final decisions, but my instinct is for us to focus on how do we make sure that, moving forward, we are doing the right thing.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: That was President Obama speaking four years ago to ABC. John Kiriakou, your response to what the presient said?
JOHN KIRIAKOU: I supported the president’s response. I remember that interview, and I thought, "OK, he’s right. There are wonderful, talented, hard-working men and women at the CIA who need to be protected." But at the same time, it’s one thing to look forward; it’s another thing to look forward just for the torturers. It’s just not fair. It’s not fair to the American people. If we’re going to—if we’re going to make prosecutions or initiate prosecutions, those prosecutions can’t just be against the people who blew the whistle on the torture or who opposed the torture. You know, we haven’t—we haven’t even investigated the torturers, as Jesselyn said. We haven’t initiated any actions against the people who conceived of the torture and implemented the policy, or against the man who destroyed evidence of the torture, or against the attorneys who used specious legal arguments to justify the torture. If we’re going to move forward, let’s move forward, but you can’t target one person or two people who blew the whistle.
he should get a medal
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he should get a medal
Maybe he should have kept his mouth shut. He was aware of the law was he not?
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Maybe he should have kept his mouth shut. He was aware of the law was he not?
But i guess in context you might be right, You know it's like exposing the mafia.
'Ok yeah look some of da boys crossed da line sure, but we looks out for each others..
but Bad tings mights hapens to yas, if yose say bad tings about the family kapeech, don'ts be stupid.. yose keep yose mouth shut..'

but maybe there should be a panel set up.
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But i guess in context you might be right, You know it's like exposing the mafia.
'Ok yeah look some of da boys crossed da line sure, but we looks out for each others..
but Bad tings mights hapens to yas, if yose say bad tings about the family kapeech, don'ts be stupid.. yose keep yose mouth shut..'

but maybe there should be a panel set up.
Well lets play your extremist swing on stories. I guess you are OK for CIA agents to repeat anything that they feel strikes them as odd without repercusion. Or just the things you like.
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Well lets play your extremist swing on stories. I guess you are OK for CIA agents to repeat anything that they feel strikes them as odd without repercusion. Or just the things you like.
If it strikes them as patently unconstitutional or illegal in the extreme. Yes let them make whatever they think needs to be brought out public.

they may be wrong and may get disciplined or tried for it but,
If the Crime is worse than what's been "criminally" exposed by them then they should get a Frekin Medal for breaking a lesser law the uphold a major law or protect more lives.

We trust them to keep secrets, to protect the country and uphold the constitution, Not to cover the back sides of their depts.
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If it strikes them as patently unconstitutional or illegal in the extreme. Yes let them make whatever they think needs to be brought out public.

they may be wrong and may get disciplined or tried for it but,
If the Crime is worse than what's been "criminally" exposed by them then they should get a Frekin Medal for breaking a lesser law the uphold a major law or protect more lives.

We trust them to keep secrets, to protect the country and uphold the constitution, Not to cover the back sides of their depts.
That's what I thought. If you think it's ok then it's ok.
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That's what I thought. If you think it's ok then it's ok.
do you think torture is OK?
Hs it ever been legal in the US?
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do you think torture is OK?
Hs it ever been legal in the US?
I don't think waterboarding is OK and I have pointed out that we convicted others for doing exactly that. That doesn't mean that a CIA official can buck protocol when they understand the consequences.

Two wrongs and all that....
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