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3 NYPD officers shot in one-hour span in separate incidents | Fox News


Published January 04, 2013

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NEW YORK – Three New York City police officers are recovering after being shot in separate incidents that left one suspect dead and four under arrest.

The shootings occurred in a one-hour span Thursday night.

Off-duty Police Officer Juan Pichardo was shot in the thigh at his family's Bronx car dealership by one of two men who entered the business around 6:30 p.m.

An hour later in Brooklyn, two plainclothes transit officers were injured. Police say a man pulled a handgun from his waistband and opened fire. One of the officers returned fire, killing the suspect.
If only there were really tough gun control laws in New York!

Oh.

Wait a minute. . . Gun laws in New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I don't believe it. New York is one of the safest cities in the world because of its TOUGH anti-gun laws./sarcasm mode
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There is no logic in that type of pro-gun commentary...

We have drunk driving laws.
A person is killed every half hour due to drunk driving.
Obviously, since we have outlawed drunk driving, only "outlaws" will drive drunk...

Does that mean it would be intelligent to revoke drunk driving laws?
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There is no logic in that type of pro-gun commentary...

We have drunk driving laws.
A person is killed every half hour due to drunk driving.
Obviously, since we have outlawed drunk driving, only "outlaws" will drive drunk...

Does that mean it would be intelligent to revoke drunk driving laws?
Does that mean putting even more laws on the books and banning guns will stop gun violence?
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There is no logic in that type of pro-gun commentary...

We have drunk driving laws.
A person is killed every half hour due to drunk driving.
Obviously, since we have outlawed drunk driving, only "outlaws" will drive drunk...

Does that mean it would be intelligent to revoke drunk driving laws?
WOHHHH HA HA HA HA! Did you ever notice the way some people twist a subject this way and that way to try to convey a fart trap to a target?

What do you mean revoke drunk driving laws? Is that the same thing as revoking wanton shooting laws?

With one thousand laws or no laws, are you some type of idiot that needs to be reminded that it is not any good for society if you turn into a lunatic who starts shooting at innocent people?
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WOHHHH HA HA HA HA! Did you ever notice the way some people twist a subject this way and that way to try to convey a fart trap to a target?
What do you mean revoke drunk driving laws? Is that the same thing as revoking wanton shooting laws?
Honestly, you need to decide whether you want your postings to look like the results of a drunken binge or an intellectual point...

It's an ANALOGY.

People talk about gun bans, which would be analogous to bans on drunk driving.
People spout "If we ban guns, then only outlaws will have guns".
It's a stupid argument.

People point to people getting killed with guns in New York like it proves something. It doesn't.
By the same logic, we could get an area and lower the BAC law to .06 and STILL find drunk driving. Doesn't mean we should revoke drunk driving laws.

To spell it out for you, the capability for a law to be broken DOES NOT invalidate that law.
We understand that on a LONG list of other subjects.
When it comes to gun control?

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With one thousand laws or no laws, are you some type of idiot that needs to be reminded that it is not any good for society if you turn into a lunatic who starts shooting at innocent people?

I tried to dumb it down for you above.
If you can't get it that time, ask an intelligent question demonstrating where you're having difficulty...

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Does that mean putting even more laws on the books and banning guns will stop gun violence?
No.
Are you really thinking the point is to try to STOP violence?
(The answer to that should be No)

The point is to REDUCE the number of deaths.
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There is no logic in that type of pro-gun commentary...

We have drunk driving laws.
A person is killed every half hour due to drunk driving.
Obviously, since we have outlawed drunk driving, only "outlaws" will drive drunk...

Does that mean it would be intelligent to revoke drunk driving laws?
Nice try at twisting it around, but your analogy fails big time. Drunk driving endangers people and its illegal, shooting people endangers them and its illegal.
Would passing a one car a month law prevent drunk driving?
Would banning cars with high capacity gas tanks prevent drunk driving?
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Honestly, you need to decide whether you want your postings to look like the results of a drunken binge or an intellectual point...

It's an ANALOGY.

People talk about gun bans, which would be analogous to bans on drunk driving.
People spout "If we ban guns, then only outlaws will have guns".
It's a stupid argument.

People point to people getting killed with guns in New York like it proves something. It doesn't.
By the same logic, we could get an area and lower the BAC law to .06 and STILL find drunk driving. Doesn't mean we should revoke drunk driving laws.

To spell it out for you, the capability for a law to be broken DOES NOT invalidate that law.
We understand that on a LONG list of other subjects.
When it comes to gun control?



I tried to dumb it down for you above.
If you can't get it that time, ask an intelligent question demonstrating where you're having difficulty...


No.
Are you really thinking the point is to try to STOP violence?
(The answer to that should be No)

The point is to REDUCE the number of deaths.
After all that crappy retort, you're still batting zero with me. Gun bans are not analogous to bans on drunk driving. They are analogous to bans on driving. PERIOD!

Your feeble attempt at condescending will decidedly be ignored.

Read post number 7 above and refine your analogies.
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People talk about gun bans, which would be analogous to bans on drunk driving.
This is where your making a mistake. Banning shooting people is analogous to banning drunk driving. Banning guns is analogous to banning cars. An incredibly impractical solution even without a constitutional amendment that say "..., the right of the people to keep and bear cars shall not be infringed."
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Nice try at twisting it around, but your analogy fails big time. Drunk driving endangers people and its illegal, shooting people endangers them and its illegal.
Would passing a one car a month law prevent drunk driving?
Would banning cars with high capacity gas tanks prevent drunk driving?
You're picking and choosing applications that I never had in mind, ignoring my actual point.

I would agree that "one gun a month" laws would be ineffective.

As for "high capacity gas tanks", it's not the size of the gas tank that poses a problem so the "analogy" attempt is wasted.
It's the BAC.
And YES. If we were to have a way to limit people's BAC absolutely before they could drive, that WOULD reduce drunk driving deaths.


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After all that crappy retort, you're still batting zero with me.
That's cause I'm trying for a battle of wits against the unarmed.

Quite frankly, I think you need to be less concerned over whether YOU can be convinced, and more concerned with whether or not your argument is convincing to others...

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Gun bans are not analogous to bans on drunk driving. They are analogous to bans on driving. PERIOD!
Oh yes.
Saying that you don't want to acknowledge the analogy "PERIOD!" certainly disproves my point....

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