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Old 01-05-2013, 05:27 AM
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So, a poster telling the '"rest of us" to **** off is not okie-dokie?
No, it isn't. But if we are to improve, we have to start somewhere. I have nominated you to be our Minister of Sweetness.
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:52 AM
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I’m not interested in your strawman arguments.
Address what I’m saying. Not what you are afraid will happen.



Did you really just refer to a cop killer bullet as “maximum protection ammunition”???
ROFLMAO! Wow.

You let me know how many cops are killed with ball point pens, and then we’ll consider possible safety improvements if it warrants it.



I’ll happily discuss other possible measures to save kids’ lives in another relevant thread
As this thread is about gun control, that is what I’m discussing here.

You actually want to put forth that the interest of saving kids is a “liberal” issue?
LOL!



I am having serious problems taking your responses seriously.
How many elected politicians do you think are “whores to the underworld”?



No. I’m pointing out the flaw in your reply.
You are dodging the question. Please answer the question, unless you’re willing to yield that your previous argument was absurd and should be disregarded.
By your approach, shouldn’t we revoke drug and drunk driving laws?
WTF good are those laws if the criminals won’t obey them?



I don’t recall claiming you did.
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And yet another dodge.
To repeat: Feinstein CLEARLY puts a grandfather clause into the legislation, so drop your fear-mongering crap.
Taking existing laws off the books is as possible as a liberal seeing a conservative's viewpoint on anything, much less gun issues, so please leave that dead horse alone. As for Ms. Diane and her ilk, grandfathering means nothing. It's incremental total abolition of gun ownership that is their agenda, and if you cannot see it, you must be a liberal. To buy into any additional level of gun or ammunition control is to be part and parcel to abolition of the Second Amendment. The liberal agenda is the same as Islam...total submission by, or annihilation of, all non-believers (infidels). Kumbaya my ass... you want it all your way or no way. You want to stop or drastically reduce gun murders, quick & speedy trials is the answer. Utilize the death penalty within 6 months of sentencing, not 13 years of appeals and having to feed and house and educate the slimeballs at our expense. You want to reduce rape? Penis-ectomy. See how quick the numbers drop. Under-utilization of existing laws is the problem, and it's brought about by the feel-good liberals who live in some la-la land out of touch with reality.
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For one segment of American society, guns symbolize honor, human mastery over nature, and individual self-sufficiency. By opposing gun control, individuals affirm the value of these meanings and the vision of the good society that they construct. For another segment of American society, however, guns connote something else: the perpetuation of illicit social hierarchies, the elevation of force over reason, and the expression of collective indifference to the well-being of strangers. These individuals instinctively support gun control as a means of repudiating these significations and of promoting an alternative vision of the good society that features equality, social solidarity, and civilized nonagression.

These competing cultural visions, we will argue, are what drive the gun control debate. They are what dispose individuals to accept certain empirically grounded public-safety arguments and to reject others. Indeed, the meanings that guns and gun control express are sufficient to justify most individuals’ positions on gun control independently of their beliefs about guns and safety. It follows that the only meaningful gun control debate is one that explicitly addresses whether and how the underlying cultural visions at stake should be embodied in American law.


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As Freud famously said "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." The cultural aspect of reducing gun crime is the glorification of thug life where "dissing" demands shooting as the only response.
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I would be interested in knowing how many people who support new gun laws actually own a gun and/or know how to properly use one. I would guess that the answer would be zero. Same goes for anti-constitutionalists who have never served their country in the military. They speak only from talking points told them by their gurus over at PMSNBC and CNN.
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Honestly dude, I would google "analogy" to come up with resources to demonstrate how absurd your declared standard is, but it isn't worth my time.

Your whole pretense that banning alcohol would not reduce drunk driving is beyond ridiculous.
I am completely unsurprised you are unwilling to defend it.



Stopping you right there cause we are in complete agreement here.
After that, you wander off into irrelevancy.

The important question here.
Would the total amount of alcohol consumption remain the same in your above scenario?
Or would it go down?

In the above scenario, would the total amount of drunk driving remain the same with alcohol illegal?
Or would it go down?


The point I have repeatedly made (but you guys get lost in complaining about how much you don't like the semantics of my analogy) is that while these behaviors would NOT be eliminated, they WOULD BE REDUCED.
We have the technology to reduce drunk driving, breathalyzer ignition interlocks check for a allowable alcohol levels before the vehicle can be started. The People would never accept this safety measure although it would reduce drunk driving because it would infringe on our freedom. We'd be treated as criminals each time we want to use our vehicles.

The same unwillingness to accept mandatory breathlyzer interlocks animates 2A defenders in opposition to "sensible" gun control proposals. We already have universal licensing, safety and registration laws for drivers and vehicles but that hasn't reduced drunk driving like a law specifying mandatory breathalyzers would neither would increased gun laws requiring licensing and registration reduce gun violence like confiscation and a ban would. The improved safety argument ignores the politically nonviable application to other areas of regulation and opens the door to the gun grabbers ultimate goal, banning and confiscation.
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No, it isn't. But if we are to improve, we have to start somewhere. I have nominated you to be our Minister of Sweetness.


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