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In a legal argument formally presented in federal court in the case of Hobby Lobby v. Kathleen Sebelius, the Obama administration is claiming that the First Amendment—which expressly denies the government the authority to prohibit the “free exercise” of religion—nonetheless allows it to force Christians to directly violate their religious beliefs even on a matter that involves the life and death of innocent human beings. …

The Obama administration is making a two-fold argument for why it can force Christians to act against their faith in complying with the regulation it has issued under the Obamacare law that requires virtually all health care plans to cover, without co-pay, sterilizations, contraceptives, and abortion-inducing drugs.

The first argument the administration makes against the owners of Hobby Lobby is that Americans lose their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion when they form a corporation and engage in commerce. A person’s Christianity, the administration argues, cannot be carried out through activities he engages in through an incorporated business. …The second argument the administration makes to justify forcing Christians to act against their faith is more sweeping. Here the administration argues it can force a person to act against his religion so long as the coercion is done under the authority of a law that is neutral and generally applicable—in other words, as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians. …
And the link: Obama Administration: We Can and Will Force Christians to Act Against Their Faith | CNS News
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You reading the same comic books as AzMike and calling it "news" again?
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Any coherent thought on this?
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So then the Obama administration can force Muslims to go against their faith and accept homosexuals into their society.
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yes, double speak.
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Are you expecting something new from salty??
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yes, double speak.
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You reading the same comic books as AzMike and calling it "news" again?
please
Reading the article, it's rather interesting how the author pretends to summarize the arguments, but then the quoted sections are distinctly different...
Obvious strawman at work.

(And without surprise, the OP has chosen to cut and paste around the actual quotes in favor of the strawman...

For the first argument, the actual statement is rather clear...
“Hobby Lobby is a for-profit, secular employer, and a secular entity by definition does not exercise religion,”

Simple enough.


I found one of the non-quoted sections rather amusing. Both in how the author obviously blunders in his attempted analogy, and also fails to recognize that his blunder has belied his attempted point...[indent]In keeping with Delery’s argument, the Washington Post, as a corporation, can use its First Amendment-protected freedom of speech to write editorials in support of the Obama administration imposing its contraception mandate on businesses like Hobby Lobby.[/indent'
The "Washington Post" would fall under freedom of the press.
Another first amendment item.

Moreover, it's rather interesting that if our founding fathers had intended us to pretend that corporations were people, that they chose to specify TWO SEPARATE rights in
* freedom of speech, and
* freedom of the press (which would already be covered under freedom of speech if corporations were intended to be people)

There are other comical errors in this nonsensical piece, but I have no doubt that people who think CNSNews is "News" aren't going to be able to mount an intelligible response to what I've already said....
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Are you expecting something new from salty??
Look, Mr, the article is false. There is a law suite concerning making insurance companies pay the same for womens health as for mens.
Don't argue about that. It's moot in this thread.
Fact is the article headline makes a false claim and three people so far have defended it.
Lies lies lies.
If they repeat it enough some will believe. They work on this sh*t 24/7.
Listening to the late night radio they are even creeping in there for the weaker minded.
Get a grip and realize these bastards do not have your better interest at heart. Furthermore could care less if the Catholic Church burned in hell. Just like they don't care about the unborn unless it makes them political hay.
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