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Comet 11-13-2012 03:44 AM

Porn industry ponders new condom law in Los Angeles
 
What say you? Should pornographic actors be required to wear condoms or is this an overstep of law?

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The show must go on, is the entertainer's credo, and it did just that in the nation's Porn Capital even after Los Angeles County voted to require performers to use condoms when filming sex scenes.

One of the industry's biggest stars, James Deen, reported for work, condom-free as usual, just hours after voters adopted the new law.

During a break in the action Thursday, however, Deen raised the same questions on the mind of everyone in LA's billion-dollar-plus porn industry: Can a planned court challenge get the new law tossed out before it is even implemented? Or, perhaps this time next year, will he be making films like "Atomic Vixens" and "Asian Fever Sex Objects" in some place like Las Vegas or Florida?

The law, listed on the ballot as Measure B, was passed by 56 percent of voters Tuesday. It won't take effect until election results are certified, which likely will be several more days. It could take months longer before county health officials decide how to enforce it and whether they must begin dispatching prophylactic police officers to keep a close eye on actors.

The Department of Public Health issued a terse statement with no timetable for developing an enforcement plan. There was no hint of whether there would be surprise inspections or if public employees would be paid to watch porn flicks to see if actors were complying.

The nation's adult entertainment industry, which is believed to generate as much as $7 billion a year in revenue, according to the trade publication Adult Video News, vigorously opposed the new law. It argued it is unneeded because of safeguards that include monthly venereal disease checks for all working actors.

They also maintained it would be costly and difficult to enforce and could drive the business out of Los Angeles' sprawling San Fernando Valley, taking with it as many as 10,000 jobs, including actors, directors, film editors and crafts and makeup people.

The main problem, they say, is that fans don't want to see actors using condoms.

"The last time we attempted to go all condom, our industry lost sales by over 30 percent," said Deen. "That's a huge hit to our economy."

Deen, who has appeared in more than 1,000 hardcore films over the past nine years and estimates he's been in about 4,000 sex scenes, said he's never been infected with any disease and he gets tested every two weeks.

"I love condoms, I think they're great and the safest thing you can do in engaging in sexual intercourse with a stranger," he said, adding he uses them in his personal life but not onscreen.

Industry officials, meanwhile, say the last reported case of HIV linked directly to work was in 2004. Since then, they add, about 300,000 films have been made.

Michael Weinstein, the nonprofit AIDS Healthcare Foundation's founder and president, disputes those figures, saying there have been other, more recent HIV infections, not to mention numerous cases of gonorrhea, chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases.

Weinstein, whose group led a petition campaign to place the measure on the ballot, says he plans to take his campaign statewide.

In the meantime, he says implementing and enforcing the new law should be easy.

"This is no different than supervising restaurants or nail salons or barbershops," Weinstein said. "You fill out forms, you are granted a permit and, periodically, somebody goes out and does spot inspections."

Easy to implement or not, porn producers say the cost of paying for permits will likely be steep and the drop-off in sales could bankrupt them.

"Certainly this is the biggest threat that I've seen to the industry in a very, very long time," said Steven Hirsch, chief executive of Vivid Entertainment Group, one of the largest purveyors of porn films, including celebrity sex tapes and popular X-rated parodies of "Batman" and "Superman" films. "There have been obscenity prosecutions, but this is something on a whole different level."

Hirsch, who co-founded Vivid 28 years ago, said he is confident the industry will get the law overturned on the grounds it violates filmmakers' First Amendment rights of free expression.

If it isn't overturned, he said his company will simply move production out of Los Angeles County to survive.

Several people who attended an emergency meeting of the industry's advocacy group, the Free Speech Coalition, last week, said porn producers have already been in touch with officials in Las Vegas and parts of Florida. In some instances, they said, tax incentives have been offered to lure them.

Through a quirk in county law, the industry might even be able to pack up and move just a few miles down the freeway to Pasadena or Long Beach.

Those municipalities, although located in Los Angeles County, have their own health departments, and Pasadena said earlier this week it won't enforce the new law.

That would be just fine for many actors and directors, who say they don't really want to leave their home base.

"People forget that porn people are people too," said Kylie Ireland, a veteran actress and director who has appeared in such films as "Being Porn Again" and "Calipornication."

"They forget that we have families and we are married and we have kids and we have lives and jobs and hobbies just like everybody else."
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Mikeyy 11-13-2012 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Comet (Post 495687)
What say you? Should pornographic actors be required to wear condoms or is this an overstep of law?]

That's a hard one......hahaha! get it..hahahah!:D

sky dancer 11-13-2012 09:13 AM

Gee, maybe there will be massive layoffs! Get it?

Manitou 11-13-2012 09:18 AM

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Only a California type would come up with something idiotic, like this law. What, in the name of Zeus's butthole, business is it of anyone whether or not sex actors wear protection?

sky dancer 11-13-2012 09:19 AM

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For the safety of those who work in the industry, I hope they use condoms. They're all very high risk for STD's.

rivrrat 11-13-2012 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Manitou (Post 495742)
Only a California type would come up with something idiotic, like this law. What, in the name of Zeus's butthole, business is it of anyone whether or not sex actors wear protection?

Of course. People can't be allowed to think for themselves.

sky dancer 11-13-2012 10:24 AM

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We wouldn't want workers of ANY kind to have better working conditions, would we?:wave

Let them all get AIDS. They're the kind of people that are disposable.

faithful_servant 11-13-2012 10:29 AM

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If the industry wants to make this a requirement, then let them, but passing a law against stupidity is a waste of time since most intelligent people understand that you can't legislate intelligence.

rivrrat 11-13-2012 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495775)
We wouldn't want workers of ANY kind to have better working conditions, would we?:wave

Let them all get AIDS. They're the kind of people that are disposable.

They choose the work they do. No one forces them. If they WANT to wear condoms, that is their choice. It's not the government's job to force them. They should be allowed to think for themselves. But apparently we can't have that.

sky dancer 11-13-2012 10:31 AM

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Other countries where sex industries are legal regulate them for health and safety.

Frankly, I think that's wise.

This is a health and safty issue.

rivrrat 11-13-2012 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495782)
Other countries where sex industries are legal regulate them for health and safety.

Frankly, I think that's wise.

I think it's wise for people to think for and be responsible for themselves.

faithful_servant 11-13-2012 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 495785)
I think it's wise for people to think for and be responsible for themselves.

So how would you handle an actor/actress who requires that their male partner be protected at all times, but then the guy "ungloves" at the last moment? Should this be considered a form of assault or just grounds for firing and a possible lawsuit??

sky dancer 11-13-2012 10:38 AM

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Both. The guy should be fired and the company sued.

sky dancer 11-13-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 495785)
I think it's wise for people to think for and be responsible for themselves.


The industry doesn't want to change. It won't encourage workers to wear condoms. The industry has to be forced to change for the health and safety of its workers.

Once again this is an issue of exploiting the work force. It is the porn industry that thinks some guy won't buy or rent the movie because he won't be able to jerk off to it the actor is wearing a condom.

rivrrat 11-13-2012 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495790)
The industry doesn't want to change. It won't encourage workers to wear condoms. The industry has to be forced to change for the health and safety of its workers.

I don't give a **** about "the industry". The workers CHOOSE where they work. If they WANT to wear condoms, that is THEIR CHOICE. If they don't, that is THEIR CHOICE.

Or at least, it should be their choice. But that would require allowing people to think for themselves.

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Once again this is an issue of exploiting the work force. It is the porn industry that thinks some guy won't be able to jerk off to their movie if the actor is wearing a condom.
The porn industry and all of the workers know full well that if everyone is wearing condoms their sales will drop in half. Which means workers will lose their jobs. Workers are not "exploited". They CHOOSE where to work.

sky dancer 11-13-2012 11:00 AM

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We require construction workers to wear hard hats because it saves lives. Same can be said for requiring condoms of sex workers.

GottaGo 11-13-2012 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495797)
We require construction workers to wear hard hats because it saves lives. Same can be said for requiring condoms of sex workers.

And if you don't want to wear the hard hat, you find a job doing something else.

Why is this particular point so hard to follow?

sky dancer 11-13-2012 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GottaGo (Post 495808)
And if you don't want to wear the hard hat, you find a job doing something else.

Why is this particular point so hard to follow?

If you don't want to use a condom, don't work in the porn industry.

sky dancer 11-13-2012 11:38 AM

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I would point out that VOTERS decided the porn industry should make their actors use condoms. Once again, a billion dollar bully industry is protesting safety practices for their workers.

The Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act, also known as Measure B, was the brainchild of the L.A.-based AIDS Healthcare Foundation, which bills itself as the largest AIDS healthcare organization in the world.

The group's president, Michael Weinstein, waged a mostly lonely battle for condoms in sex scenes for a decade, ramping up public pressure on officials in 2005 after the HIV infection of three actresses by a porn star.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...-during-f.html

rivrrat 11-13-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495797)
We require construction workers to wear hard hats because it saves lives. Same can be said for requiring condoms of sex workers.

Does wearing a hard hat cut into half of the worker's profits?

sky dancer 11-13-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 495817)
Does wearing a hard hat cut into half of the worker's profits?

That depends, doesn't it? Does the company require the worker to purchase his own hard hat or do they provide them?

WTF do you care if sex workers are forced to use condoms? You'd rather they spread disease?

rivrrat 11-13-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495819)
That depends, doesn't it? Does the company require the worker to purchase his own hard hat or do they provide them?

Doesn't matter. It's not any of the government's business for one thing, and secondly, it doesn't cut their pay in half.

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WTF do you care if sex workers are forced to use condoms? You'd rather they spread disease?
I would rather people be free to think for themselves and be responsible for themselves.

40yearfan 11-13-2012 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495775)
We wouldn't want workers of ANY kind to have better working conditions, would we?:wave

Let them all get AIDS. They're the kind of people that are disposable.

Maybe they think you are disposable also. What a stupid comment.

AzMike 11-13-2012 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 40yearfan (Post 495824)
Maybe they think you are disposable also. What a stupid comment.

Maybe California is disposable they sure are acting like idiots.

GottaGo 11-13-2012 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495810)
If you don't want to use a condom, don't work in the porn industry.

Other side. What the industry does as a whole, withOUT government involvement.

The government has no business, in business.

sky dancer 11-13-2012 12:13 PM

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The government is needed to keep business in line. It is NOT self-correcting. Sexually transmitted disease prevention is EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS. California voters proved that.

Honestly boys. What is your objection to condoms? Selfishness?

rivrrat 11-13-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495841)
The government is needed to keep business in line. It is NOT self-correcting. Sexually transmitted disease prevention is EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS. California voters proved that.

Honestly boys. What is your objection to condoms?

It's not an objection to condoms, it's an objection to loss of freedom and choice. It's an objection to bigger, more intrusive government.

sky dancer 11-13-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 495845)
It's not an objection to condoms, it's an objection to loss of freedom and choice. It's an objection to bigger, more intrusive government.

I see. You think some people should have the freedom to spread AIDS and other STD's while at work.

Big bad government trying to save lives.

AzMike 11-13-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495841)
The government is needed to keep business in line. It is NOT self-correcting. Sexually transmitted disease prevention is EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS. California voters proved that.

Honestly boys. What is your objection to condoms? Selfishness?

The objection is to people like you that have decided you know best how to run everyones lives, business, healthcare etc.

sky dancer 11-13-2012 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AzMike (Post 495848)
The objection is to people like you that have decided you know best how to run everyones lives, business, healthcare etc.

"People like me" vote. This was a ballot measure. It was not one in MY community. So I didn't vote it in, but I see the wisdom in it.

I'm concerned about disease prevention. Why aren't you?

rivrrat 11-13-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495847)
I see. You think some people should have the freedom to spread AIDS and other STD's while at work.

Big bad government trying to save lives.

It's not the government's job to save us from ourselves. If I want to risk getting an STD, that's my ****ing business and not the government's. Yes, people should have the freedom risk getting diseases if they so choose.

rivrrat 11-13-2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495849)
I'm concerned about disease prevention. Why aren't you?

Why would I give a **** about someone else getting or not getting a disease? What they do is their choice. What risks they take are theirs to take. What diseases they get are their issue.

sky dancer 11-13-2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 495853)
It's not the government's job to save us from ourselves. If I want to risk getting an STD, that's my ****ing business and not the government's. Yes, people should have the freedom risk getting diseases if they so choose.

I can tell you've never worked in public health. I have. STD prevention is important to me.

MrLiberty 11-13-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy (Post 495733)
That's a hard one......hahaha! get it..hahahah!:D

Now that's funny! :funny

rivrrat 11-13-2012 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495856)
I can tell you've never worked in public health. I have. STD prevention is important to me.

STD prevention is important to me for MYSELF. I don't give a **** what anyone else does. Why would I?

What's important to ME is freedom, choice, and personal responsibility. That includes the freedom to make choices that might cause me harm.

sky dancer 11-13-2012 12:40 PM

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I care about people dying of AIDS. I've lost too many dear ones. I've worked in public health and I care about other people.

rivrrat 11-13-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495864)
I care about people dying of AIDS. I've lost too many dear ones. I've worked in public health and I care about other people.

I care about other people being free to make choices for themselves, and shouldering the responsibility of those choices.

MrLiberty 11-13-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495847)
I see. You think some people should have the freedom to spread AIDS and other STD's while at work.

Big bad government trying to save lives.

If that is what government is for then they should stop all people from driving cars, eating at fast food rest., driving motorcycles, etc., etc., etc.

Government does not need to be everywhere, especially in decisions of adults who knowingly put themselves in harms way.

sky dancer 11-13-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 495866)
I care about other people being free to make choices for themselves, and shouldering the responsibility of those choices.

I don't think a sex worker should be free to spread disease.

rivrrat 11-13-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sky dancer (Post 495868)
I don't think a sex worker should be free to spread disease.

The people having sex are aware of the risks. Their bodies are their own. Their bodies, their choice. That goes for ALL people, sex workers or not.


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