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dabateman 11-16-2012 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 497367)
Yes, it should be.

No. There is zero rational reasoning behind permitting it.

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LMFAO Yes of course, because nothing EVER gets done without the government making it happen! :rolls
Not what I said. However government does FORCE it to happen faster.

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Gimme a ****ing break. Like I said, I don't know wtf you're talking about and neither do you. Contrary to what you believe, individuals do actually make things without the government forcing them to. And, they do create their own safety guidelines and rules sans the government (see scuba diving, whitewater, and prostitution for that matter)
However, as previously indicated, the government forcing the use of these developments reduces long term costs AND leads to further development of safety precautions.

rivrrat 11-16-2012 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dabateman (Post 497379)
He does... that often transforms into shingles. ;)

Yes, I know it can cause shingles. But that's shingles, not chicken pox.

Just like syphilis can be and is curable. You do not have it any longer. You have no symptoms, you are not a carrier, and it will not just reoccur without a completely separate infection. It is CURED.

dabateman 11-16-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 497381)
Yes, I know it can cause shingles. But that's shingles, not chicken pox.

That's like trying to draw an infection distinction between HIV and AIDS. Good luck with that. :rolls

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Just like syphilis can be and is curable. You do not have it any longer. You have no symptoms, you are not a carrier, and it will not just reoccur without a completely separate infection. It is CURED.
You still have it. You are a carrier. It's in your blood. Just because you are asymptomatic does not mean you are cured.

rivrrat 11-16-2012 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dabateman (Post 497380)
No. There is zero rational reasoning behind permitting it.

Aside from individual freedom, choice and responsibility.

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Not what I said. However government does FORCE it to happen faster.
In SOME instances, possibly, but not in most.


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However, as previously indicated, the government forcing the use of these developments reduces long term costs AND leads to further development of safety precautions.
And, as it pertains to what I do, and have done (since YOU brought it up), the government doesn't force jack ****ing ****.

In fact, most advancements in safety are despite the government, not because of it. People don't WANT to get hurt. Companies don't WANT their employees dead and dying. No nannies needed.

rivrrat 11-16-2012 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dabateman (Post 497384)
That's like trying to draw an infection distinction between HIV and AIDS. Good luck with that. :rolls

There's a distinct difference.

However, with regard to chicken pox, the person is now immune to chicken pox and they are NOT a carrier. With regard to HIV, the person is NOT immune to other HIV strains and IS a carrier. So, our point still stands.

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You still have it. You are a carrier. It's in your blood. Just because you are asymptomatic does not mean you are cured.
No, you are not a carrier. You do not still "have it". It is cured. If you still "had it", you couldn't contract it again. Which you CAN, even after you've been treated and cured.

dabateman 11-16-2012 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 497386)
There's a distinct difference.

However, with regard to chicken pox, the person is now immune to chicken pox and they are NOT a carrier. With regard to HIV, the person is NOT immune to other HIV strains and IS a carrier. So, our point still stands.

They are indeed a carrier. Otherwise there wouldn't be a risk of shingles.

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No, you are not a carrier. You do not still "have it". It is cured. If you still "had it", you couldn't contract it again. Which you CAN, even after you've been treated and cured.
Actually your understanding is limited.

You can still be infected without it being an ACUTE infection.

No cure. The end.

dabateman 11-16-2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat (Post 497385)
Aside from individual freedom, choice and responsibility.

Which aren't enforced by allowing people to do stupid ****.

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In SOME instances, possibly, but not in most.
Actually yes, in most.

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And, as it pertains to what I do, and have done (since YOU brought it up), the government doesn't force jack ****ing ****.

In fact, most advancements in safety are despite the government, not because of it. People don't WANT to get hurt. Companies don't WANT their employees dead and dying. No nannies needed.
If the companies didn't want their employees dead and dying, they'd incorporate appropriate safety requirements. Hence condoms. Hence the whole freaking point of the argument.

rivrrat 11-16-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dabateman (Post 497390)
They are indeed a carrier. Otherwise there wouldn't be a risk of shingles.

No, they are not a carrier. If they cannot give it to others, they are not a carrier.


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Actually your understanding is limited.
No, I understand quite well.

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You can still be infected without it being an ACUTE infection.
Indeed, someone CAN be infected and be asymptomatic. But not in the case of someone who has been CURED of a disease such as someone who has been CURED of syphilis.

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No cure. The end.
Yes, it can be cured. The end.

Your oh so precious government even states that fact.

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How is syphilis treated?
No home remedies or over-the-counter drugs will cure syphilis, but syphilis is simple to cure with appropriate antibiotics from a physician.
STD Facts - Syphilis

Idealogically Promiscuous 11-16-2012 04:08 PM

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Chicken pox antibodies remain in the blood which is what gives immunity to future chicken pox infections.

The shingles virus is only activates as a hyper immune response by the body to what it thinks is the pox again.

You are not a carrier of chicken pox your entire life once you overcome it.


Syphilus is curable. It is bacterial and it cures with antibiotics. It does not remain in the blood. It is contractable as many times as you get exposed to it.

1069 11-16-2012 06:09 PM

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You still have it. You are a carrier. It's in your blood. Just because you are asymptomatic does not mean you are cured.
There are actually many viral and bacterial infections like this. Typically, antibodies to them confer immunity. Ergo "having it in your blood" is arguably a good thing.
There are some viruses that remain with you for life which cause occasional flare-ups (such as Herpes Simplex 1 & 2), but Syphilis is not one of them. Once treated, it is resolved without sequelae, regardless of whether or not antibodies to it remain in your body for life.
It is incorrect to say "you are a carrier" if by that you mean contagious. Typically that is what being a "carrier" means. Once treated, Syphilis cannot be transmitted sexually, laterally, or any other way. It is resolved.


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