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Yes. How do you think that I'm able to predict ever increasing Islamic violence with such accuracy?

I base my predictions on Islamic doctrine. It has nothing to due with race or anything like that. It's a religion that commands endless war and conquest, the use of violence and enslavement, and the brutal hopeless subjugation of women.

And not matter what you wish to be true, Traditional Islam does not tolerate revision. Just ask the young woman in Pakistan that got shot in the head for wanting an education.
It has nothing to do with what I wish to be true.

I choose to read from a variety of sources, not just Jihadwatch.

And remember, that young girl you are busy politicizing? She was a Muslim woman.
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I think the problem here is there isn't yet a term that actually defines the parameters of the problem without including the innocent.

You can't point fingers at broader Islam without acknowledging the Muslims innocent of the savagery you're addressing. You can't say Jihadi, or Islamo-fascist without letting a key demographic of the problem slip from notice.

To just say Jihadi, or Islamo-fascist, might direct attention to the missile launchers, or the beheaders of Daniel Pearl, or the twelfth Imam fanatics of Iran, or the callers for genocide of the Muslim Brotherhood, but the terms deflect notice from the old lady who screams down the street at the woman in the Cairo ghetto, because that mother won't have her daughter's clitoris sliced from her body, or the thugs who follow somebody home to smash him up for what they view as a religious infraction, or the throwers of acid, or bombers of children who might wish to become educated, or the foreign Imam's snuck into American Madrassas to indoctrinate children to radicalism, or the honor-killers of their own children, or the guy in this video I saw who raped a two year old Coptic girl to intimidate the family to accept Islam as their religion, or the Yemenis who abduct non-muslim women into sexual slavery, or the recruitment drives of Muslim immigrant boys in Michigan to go to Somalia to be trained in Jihad, or the almost unbelievable rape statistics of Muslim men on Scandinavian women because they're encouraged to think of Infidel women as sub-human, or the Muslim rape and pimp cabals of the United Kingdom, or the European no-go zones where even the police are afraid to enter, or the bottle throwers of Dearborn, or the suppressors of the First Amendment calling for blasphemy laws, or the callers to defeat the West from within, or...

There isn't a term to define all that without drawing innocent Muslims into it's definition. I heard a term recently. It covers it pretty well, but it's not snappy enough to catch on.

Here ya go. read about it.

NoisyRoom.net Blog Archive The Deception Of “Moderate Islam”

" Shari’a-allegiant" (Yes, I know the Sharia does not cover some stuff like female circumcision, but the term is still the closest I've seen to cover the bulk of the problem without drawing the innocent into its borders).

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I think the problem here is there isn't yet a term that actually defines the parameters of the problem without including the innocent.

You can't point fingers at broader Islam without acknowledging the Muslims innocent of the savagery you're addressing. You can't say Jihadi, or Islamo-fascist without letting a key demographic of the problem slip from notice.

To just say Jihadi, or Islamo-fascist, might direct attention to the missile launchers, or the beheaders of Daniel Pearl, or the twelfth Imam fanatics of Iran, or the callers for genocide of the Muslim Brotherhood, but the terms deflect notice from the old lady who screams down the street at the woman in the Cairo ghetto, because that mother won't have her daughter's clitoris sliced from her body, or the thugs who follow somebody home to smash him up for what they view as a religious infraction, or the throwers of acid, or bombers of children who might wish to become educated, or the foreign Imam's snuck into American Madrassas to indoctrinate children to radicalism, or the honor-killers of their own children, or the guy in this video I saw who raped a two year old Copic girl to intimidate a Coptic Christian to accept Islam as his religion, or the Yemenis who abduct non-muslim women into sexual slavery, or the recruitment drives of Muslim immigrant boys in Michigan to go to Somalia to be trained in Jihad, or the almost unbelievable rape statistics of Muslim men on Scandinavian women because they're encouraged to think of Infidel women as sub-human, or the Muslim rape and pimp cabals of the United Kingdom, or the European no-go zones where even the police are afraid to enter, or the bottle throwers of Dearborn, or the suppressors of the First Amendment calling for blasphemy laws, or the callers to defeat the West from within, or...

There isn't a term to define all that without drawing innocent Muslims into it's definition. I heard a term recently. It covers it pretty well, but it's not snappy enough to catch on.

Here ya go. read about it.

NoisyRoom.net Blog Archive The Deception Of “Moderate Islam”

" Shari’a-allegiant"
You're statements are so full of disinformation it's ridiculous - just to pick at one string of your claim (to show how much disinformation there is about Islam): the woman in the Cairo ghetto, because that mother won't have her daughter's clitoris sliced from her body

Female genital mutiliation is a very old practice has little to do with Islam or any particular religion, but is a cultural practice mainly in African countries including some Christian dominated countries, the Middle East and the South East. It was even advocated in western countries in the 19th century as a cure for masturbation.
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You missed my edit. I was working on it while you were posting.

What I'm saying is you need a term that can cover the bulk of the problem without damning the innocent. Defeat the sharia, and you defeat the institutionalized madness that allows the savagery aspect of the ideology ingrained into the culture to spread. In order to do that you need a term to identify the enemy. I'll allow something like female circumcision to slip into the borders of the definition even though technically it does not apply. It's savage enough that, so what.

As to the prog technique of cherry picking the weak link of a list to damn the whole list of supportable claims - get stuffed.
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You missed my edit. I was working on it while you were posting.

What I'm saying is you need a term that can cover the bulk of the problem without damning the innocent. Defeat the sharia, and you defeat the institutionalized madness that allows the savagery aspect of the ideology ingrained into the culture to spread. In order to do that you need a term to identify the enemy. I'll allow something like female circumcision to slip into the borders of the definition even though technically it does not apply. It's savage enough that, so what.
Ok, I see what you are saying but why not call it what it is: Islamic Extremists? Accurate, no? Even "sharia" is frequently mis-used. Sharia isn't only the extreme you see in countries like Saudi Arabia.

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I picked the very first link - so sue me Many of the examples in your list are, quite frankly, actions engaged in by non-Muslims as well or are straightout erroneous like the Gil Ronen's Fabricated Statistics About Oslo Rapists Being All Muslim | loonwatch.com.

You cons are so sensitive.
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I think this will come to a head sooner before later. And only because there is a lot of truth in this as well as what we have seen in the responses to the film & the French cartoon.
I just have not figured out how it all fits with Bible passages dealing with the end times.
If your a believer out not, what has and will happen will some how affect us all.


Anti-jihad 'savage' ads going up in NYC subway - Yahoo! News

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Politicians (and their backers) have to keep people stirred up so we don't look at facts and we'll jump on one or the other band wagon over bs like this.
For instance I read the other day the guy who initiated the movement to rebuild the Muslim church is a big contributor to Eric Cantor. As everyone knows Cantor would be squarely on the right on this.
So yeah we need to back away from these events and ask some meatier questions of our elected officials.
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Many of the examples in your list are, quite frankly, actions engaged in by non-Muslims as well or are straightout erroneous like the Gil Ronen's Fabricated Statistics About Oslo Rapists Being All Muslim | loonwatch.com.
The Loons of loonwatch receive as much critique as the organizations, and people they demagogue so let's not pretend there's superior credibility there.

Nevertheless they make allegations. Those can be addressed, and as I say once you post loonwatch, one source is as good as another.

Most of the Looners allegations are demagoguery, as usual, but they found an official (btw Norwegian officials are blackened by this report, and are as prone to distorting the stats as Loonwatch is) to tell them the stats in the police report were for assault rape (to which I say even if true, so what), and there were only five of them (kind of, but there's more).

Now I don't read Norwegian, but here's the Oslo police report.

https://www.politi.no/vedlegg/lokale...dlegg_1309.pdf

And here's what is alleged to be in it. (Again it's fine to post me Loonwatch, but you lose any right to complain about my source.)

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The police report referred to is Voldtekt i den globale byen (Rape in the global city – May 2011 report) which provides a detailed analysis of the rape statistics in Oslo during 2010. The report shows that, of 131 individuals charged with the 152 rapes in which the perpetrator could be identified, 45.8% were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin while 38.2 were Norweigan citizens (foreign and national), 2.3% American, and 13.7% other European (foreign and national Europeans).

The claim of 100% sexual assault rate is based exclusively on the figures for “assault rape”, i.e. rape aggravated by physical violence, a category that included 6 of the 152 cases and 5 of the 131 identified individuals. All of those 5 individuals were indeed of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin. The police report adds that in other cases of assault rape, where the individual responsible was not identified and the police relied on the description provided by the victim, “8 of the perpetrators were African / dark-skinned appearance, 5 were Western / light / Nordic and 4 had an Asian appearance”.

The summary of total rape statistics dominated by 50% in total by Muslim immigrants coincides with similar figures from Sweden. It is important to pay attention that Muslims who only comprise of 1.5% of the total population in Norway, stand for 50% of the entire country’s rape statistics – highly and aggressively over represented.

Islamo apologists often try to distort these facts by claiming Muslims “only” raped

The police report also points out that “it must be stressed that the strong over-representation of people from minority backgrounds for several types of rape can not be interpreted as meaning that foreign culture is a causal explanation of rape” and that “the statistical difference in criminal behaviour between ethnic groups disappears when controlling for socio-economic conditions”.
Norway: 90% of all violent rapes in Oslo committed by Muslims The Muslim Issue

As to Loonwatch's insinuations it's only radicals and those nasty Israelis referencing the report - Bullsh*t.


BTW, here's a cute little graphic I see pop up all over the internet.

http://themuslimissue.files.wordpres...jpg?w=260&h=70

Would you like me to trace the source of that pic for you? I think it's from a Swedish newspaper.
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In fact you and the Looners zeroed in on the Oslo police report, but would you like to talk Sweden as well?

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And remember, that young girl you are busy politicizing? She was a Muslim woman.
You're proving OC's points for him.

Muslims are intolerant of any disension, questioning or criticism and their only answer for such situations is murder. Even if it means killing your own members or family. It's a perverted religion.
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In fact you and the Looners zeroed in on the Oslo police report, but would you like to talk Sweden as well?

Muslim Rape Wave in Sweden / Muslimska Våldtäkt Våg i Sverige - YouTube
Researchers behind the EU study, which will be presented on Tuesday, conclude that rape appears to be a more common occurrence in Sweden than in continental European countries.

In Sweden, 46 incidents of rape are reported per 100,000 residents.

This figure is double as many as in the UK which reports 23 cases, and four times that of the other Nordic countries, Germany and France. The figure is up to 20 times the figure for certain countries in southern and eastern Europe.

The study, which is financed by the Brussels-based EU fund Daphne II, compared how the respective judicial systems managed rape cases across eleven EU countries. Sweden is shown in an unfavourable light, according to the study.

The high figures in Sweden can not it seems be explained purely by an increased tendency to report rapes and other more minor sexual offences.

Rape simply appears to be a more common occurrence in Sweden than in the other EU countries studied, the researchers argue.

Over 5,000 rapes are reported in Sweden per annum while reports in other countries of a comparable size amounted to only a few hundred.

The figures can however be somewhat distorted as it is often only assault rapes by strangers and aggravated acquaintance rapes that are reported in many of these countries - as was the case in Sweden 40 years ago.

The high incidence of rape in Sweden has a strong connection to nightlife and partying, specifically after-club parties in private homes.

Early sexual debuts, high alcohol consumption, "free sexuality" and the "right to say no" quite simply results in more rapes, the study concludes.
Sweden tops European rape league - The Local
The Daphne II fund ran from 2004-2008 and was set up by the European Parliament as a specific programme to prevent and combat violence against children, young people and women and to protect victims and groups at risk.

In 2007 Daphne III was launched to continue the work and is funded up to 2013.
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