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Old 08-31-2012, 02:03 PM
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At the least - total demotion...but I bet it's hard to file her. She's a federal worker.
ID fixed my one post so let me fix yours... FIRE to replace file. We still ?

Being a federal worker has it's bennies. But I hope all of her extra special training that most Fereral workers don't get, her security clearance if moved to another job would be a waste of taxpayers $.

And agents like these do cost a lot! So give her a shout out, a WTF were you thinking etc. And put her on the doggie patrol for a bit and then let her do the job she was trained to do.

Cause she wouldn't do this again in a million years.
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The problem with this is that we aren't supposed hire just anyone to do a secret service type job. We're supposed to hire the best of the best for this kind of job but we don't necessarily get the best. And why not? Because we're only allowed the best that affirmative action hiring quotas will allow. Actual security and safety be damned all in the name of equality and diversity.
Wow. So it happened because she has a vagina. Amazing.
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Wow. So it happened because she has a vagina. Amazing.
Obviously!!! The only reason she set the gun down in the first place was because it was in the way of hiking up her skirt to take pee. Had it been a man, this would have never happened. My solution is that all female SS members need to wear pants and learn to pee standing up.


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thanks for missing the point

it happened because she was not the best person for the job --- & her hiring was likely due to filling a diversity need.
this is not to say in the midst of another term of hiring that a woman is the most suitable for the job at that time.
if this were a male on the other hand there would be no question as to what should be his fate --- fired!!! & there'd be no defense because these are supposed to be the best of the best & would deserve to be fired for this kind of carelessness.
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it happened because she was not the best person for the job --- & her hiring was likely due to filling a diversity need.
this is not to say in the midst of another term of hiring that a woman is the most suitable for the job at that time.
if this were a male on the other hand there would be no question as to what should be his fate --- fired!!! & there'd be no defense because these are supposed to be the best of the best & would deserve to be fired for this kind of carelessness.
No, I didn't miss the point at all. She's a woman, and therefore must have been hired simply because of that. Couldn't have ****ing POSSIBLY have been because they thought she could do the job. Nope. She's a woman, so it HAD to have been a "diversity need". Therefore, this happened because she's a woman and women can't be good enough to get the job on their own merits.

Hell, I'm surprised you didn't imply she got the job because she was sleeping with someone.

And the fact that you don't even SEE what it is you're saying is even more disturbing.
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thanks for missing the point

~ it happened because she was not the best person for the job --- & her hiring was likely due to filling a diversity need.

Hmmm.....

I see two bad assumptions in one sentence.......

First you assume that's it's never happened before and second you assumed it was "because" of her gender......


Not good.....


Did she F up, yep......

May she get fired, yep......


Should she......?

I don't know her full record and past employment history. That will do more to determine what happens here than anything else imo......


If she's been a F-up before, she's probably gone. But, if she's been stellar and this was the first time she's made a mistake, they'll probably keep her......


~ Just like all the men that have made mistakes before her employment.......


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The problem with this is that we aren't supposed hire just anyone to do a secret service type job. We're supposed to hire the best of the best for this kind of job but we don't necessarily get the best. And why not? Because we're only allowed the best that affirmative action hiring quotas will allow. Actual security and safety be damned all in the name of equality and diversity.
You are off the mark with this remark. The U.S. Secret Service is the elite of America's Law Enforcement Agencies, and their assignment of personal bodyguard protection of the President, his family, the major candidates in the Presidential race every four years, ex-President's and their wives, and visiting foreign dignitaries, is almost impossible because anybody can get to our public officials if they are willing to exchange their life for the ones they try to shoot.

This group of men and women are the crack shooters in law enforcement, using Uzi's and handguns, nobody, not even the FBI comes close to them. The agency has female agents, but they are not "window-dressing" - they have to meet the same requirements and maintain the same standards of proficiency and physical fitness as any other agent on those details.

Their loyalty is to the office - not the individual usually. Whenever their loyalty to the individual gets in the way, people can die, as was the case with John Kennedy in Dallas. The Secret Service detail the night before was out drinking and partying in a strip club, whoever designed the motorcade route to make a 5-mph u-turn right in front of the Texas Book Depository, did so against the Secret Service's recommendation. Plus, Kennedy himself ordered the "bubbletop" on his Lincoln removed that day, and ordered the agents not to ride on the side of his car. The result is terrible history.

America is a car culture and a gun culture. Trying to protect the President in crowds is amazingly difficult. A Manson family member, Lynette "Squeeky" Fromme, got within a yard of President Gerald Ford with an Army .45 caliber handgun, pointed it to his temple and clicked off a round. Fortunately, she didn't understand the gun, to cock it to fire, you have to pull the trigger once, that was the "click" that the Service heard. Had she known anything about that gun, Ford's head would have been blown clean off.

Later that same year, another female, Sarah Moore, in San Francisco, started spraying bullets from across the street in a crowd, as Ford exited a hotel. Her gun hand was knocked off target by a disabled Vietnam vet, sitting in a wheelchair beside her, who used a cane, and poked her arm into the air knocking her aim off target.

Ronald Reagan, same, although he went down in a hail of .22 caliber bullets outside the Washington Hilton Hotel when John Hinkley opened fire. Harry Truman spent most of his Presidency living in Blair House across the street from the White House, as it underwent an entire internal renovation. Two Puerta Rican nationalist's started firing at him from the street (Truman was upstairs in the second floor bedroom by the window), when Secret Service members shot and killed the two on the street.

Clinton? He had a guy fly a small plane into the Andrew Jackson elm trees adjacent to the Truman balcony of the White House, the same trees depicted on the $20 bill, and another crazy started spraying the White House with a machine gun from across the street in Lafayette Park, bullets actually hitting the window sill of Chelsea Clinton's bedroom, fortunately she wasn't home at the time. That was a final straw for Congress and the Service - they closed Pennsylvania Avenue to vehicle traffic passing the White House.

Both President's Bush had assassination threats from Saddam Hussein of Iraq during their terms, and the Service killed a homeless man in Lafayette Park who was wielding a large knife and acting crazy. So this agency, has one of the toughest jobs of any law enforcement one, and also for decades was known as the "Silent Service" like our Navy Seals and submariners. They didn't write memoirs or books, didn't release gossip as anonymous background, except on a few occasions, long after the people they were charged with protecting were out of the White House.

Clint Hill the agent who saved Mrs. Kennedy by pushing her back into the Lincoln Presidential limo in Dallas when she climbed on the trunk lid after seeing her husband's head blow off right beside her, wrote a book about that day recently, he also gave an interview for Life Magazine at the 10-year anniversary of the JFK Assassination. Hill and most of those agents suffered extreme stress syndrome and had to retire after the JFK assassination.

For some reason, although I expect some hijinks on road campaigns have probably occurred in secret for years with this agency, the number of people covering the President and his detail, the reporters on the plane, are going to break just about any story. IMO, the head of the Secret Service should be fired, along with the agent. This isn't something anybody does in that agency, ever, leave a loaded handgun lying around where a reporter could pick it up. Fact it was a reporter is probably why the story came out. There have been some serious lapses by the service over the decades, I have no idea of what President Obama's detail racial makeup is, but it wouldn't make any difference, they all have to be A+ to get assigned to the Presidential protection detail's, and those of the candidates. Affirmative Action is not a criteria used by the U.S. Secret Service in hiring.......
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Ok...I'm wrong...
Leaving your weapon unattended is a sign of pure genius and probably means she is over-qualified.
A raise and a promotion is probably in order.
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Obviously!!! The only reason she set the gun down in the first place was because it was in the way of hiking up her skirt to take pee. Had it been a man, this would have never happened. My solution is that all female SS members need to wear pants and learn to pee standing up.


I hope they dont make them wear skirts. that would be archaic. I think shoulder harness is how the guys wear theirs. Depending on the size of her boobs she might have been wearing a shoulder harness. Or the gun may have been heavy wherever she carried it and ...
or she and the reporter could have been getting a little and he was a Democrat plant ...
or it doesn't matter at all that she was a woman she should have been pulled off this job.
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Ok...I'm wrong...
Leaving your weapon unattended is a sign of pure genius and probably means she is over-qualified.
A raise and a promotion is probably in order.
I think there might be something in between.......
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