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Darrell Issa Puts Details of Secret Wiretap Applications in Congressional Record

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In the midst of a fiery floor debate over contempt proceedings for Attorney General Eric Holder, House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) quietly dropped a bombshell letter into the Congressional Record.

The May 24 letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), ranking member on the panel, quotes from and describes in detail a secret wiretap application that has become a point of debate in the GOP’s “Fast and Furious” gun-walking probe.

The wiretap applications are under court seal, and releasing such information to the public would ordinarily be illegal. But Issa appears to be protected by the Speech or Debate Clause in the Constitution, which offers immunity for Congressional speech, especially on a chamber’s floor.

According to the letter, the wiretap applications contained a startling amount of detail about the operation, which would have tipped off anyone who read them closely about what tactics were being used.

Holder and Cummings have both maintained that the wiretap applications did not contain such details and that the applications were reviewed narrowly for probable cause, not for whether any investigatory tactics contained followed Justice Department policy.

The wiretap applications were signed by senior DOJ officials in the department’s criminal division, including Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Kenneth Blanco and another official who is now deceased.
So this (obviously) didn't stop at the doors of the ATF...When you have wiretap applications signed by senior DoJ officials, it's pretty tough to say the DoJ was simply ignorant...

Now read this...I can't believe the government would do something like this...

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In Fast and Furious, agents for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowed assault guns bought by “straw purchasers” to “walk,” which meant ending surveillance on weapons suspected to be en route to Mexican drug cartels.

The tactic, which was intended to allow agents to track criminal networks by finding the guns at crime scenes, was condemned after two guns that were part of the operation were found at U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder scene.
"by finding the guns at crime scenes"?!?!?!?!?...

Not "stop the crimes", but "wait until the crimes HAPPENED and then collect the guns"?!?!?!

There were MURDERS, you a$$holes!!!!!!!...And the "plan" was to ALLOW THEM!!!!!...
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But hey, there's nothing to see here guys. Issa just wants to stop Eric from making sure everybody has a chance to vote, right?

Oh, but wait that's not the best one. The best one is Issa is a dick therefore there's no need to see these documents that show the DOJ put guns in the hands of the Mexican drug cartels. Follow that reasoning and you too can join the progressive herd.

Wait, then there's the classic "But B B Bush...", of course, or "let's not talk about that. We need to discuss Iran Contra". What else you got?
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So this (obviously) didn't stop at the doors of the ATF...When you have wiretap applications signed by senior DoJ officials, it's pretty tough to say the DoJ was simply ignorant...

Now read this...I can't believe the government would do something like this...

"by finding the guns at crime scenes"?!?!?!?!?...

Not "stop the crimes", but "wait until the crimes HAPPENED and then collect the guns"?!?!?!

There were MURDERS, you a$$holes!!!!!!!...And the "plan" was to ALLOW THEM!!!!!...
Oh, I think it gets worse. And I admit that I got this from a caller to a radio show, why would the JD expect expensive firearms to be left behind at crime scenes? The obvious answer is that they arranged for them to be.
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So this (obviously) didn't stop at the doors of the ATF...When you have wiretap applications signed by senior DoJ officials, it's pretty tough to say the DoJ was simply ignorant...

Now read this...I can't believe the government would do something like this...

"by finding the guns at crime scenes"?!?!?!?!?...

Not "stop the crimes", but "wait until the crimes HAPPENED and then collect the guns"?!?!?!

There were MURDERS, you a$$holes!!!!!!!...And the "plan" was to ALLOW THEM!!!!!...
Holy crap. Look for the dead bodies. WTF is wrong with these people.
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In the midst of a fiery floor debate over contempt proceedings for Attorney General Eric Holder, House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) quietly dropped a bombshell letter into the Congressional Record.

The May 24 letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), ranking member on the panel, quotes from and describes in detail a secret wiretap application that has become a point of debate in the GOP’s “Fast and Furious” gun-walking probe.

The wiretap applications are under court seal, and releasing such information to the public would ordinarily be illegal. But Issa appears to be protected by the Speech or Debate Clause in the Constitution, which offers immunity for Congressional speech, especially on a chamber’s floor.

According to the letter, the wiretap applications contained a startling amount of detail about the operation, which would have tipped off anyone who read them closely about what tactics were being used.

Holder and Cummings have both maintained that the wiretap applications did not contain such details and that the applications were reviewed narrowly for probable cause, not for whether any investigatory tactics contained followed Justice Department policy.


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In Fast and Furious, agents for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowed assault guns bought by “straw purchasers” to “walk,” which meant ending surveillance on weapons suspected to be en route to Mexican drug cartels.

The tactic, which was intended to allow agents to track criminal networks by finding the guns at crime scenes, was condemned after two guns that were part of the operation were found at U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder scene.
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Darrell Issa Puts Details of Secret Wiretap Applications in Congressional Record

So this (obviously) didn't stop at the doors of the ATF...When you have wiretap applications signed by senior DoJ officials, it's pretty tough to say the DoJ was simply ignorant...

Now read this...I can't believe the government would do something like this...

"by finding the guns at crime scenes"?!?!?!?!?...

Not "stop the crimes", but "wait until the crimes HAPPENED and then collect the guns"?!?!?!

There were MURDERS, you a$$holes!!!!!!!...And the "plan" was to ALLOW THEM!!!!!...
So Issa can say anything he wans because Congress an look at it but not the public. I so hope he will be brought upon charges if the dems take back the house.
Isn't it Holder who put a stop to the program?
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So Issa can say anything he wans because Congress an look at it but not the public. I so hope he will be brought upon charges if the dems take back the house.
Isn't it Holder who put a stop to the program?
edited to say: At this point in the tactics I've seen I wouldn't be surprised if a GOP operative tipped off whoever killed Terry.
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So Issa can say anything he wans because Congress an look at it but not the public. I so hope he will be brought upon charges if the dems take back the house.
Isn't it Holder who put a stop to the program?
How in the gloomy expanses of Gehenna can we know what Holder did in this very serious matter, since he refuses to cooperate with the legally constituted investigation, and his Master is shielding him through the illicit use of executive Penalty?

Thought is called for here.
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May 24th 09 and details.......

Hmmm......


You can't claim "I didn't know" when that's part of the job requirement on an operation this large........


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How in the gloomy expanses of Gehenna can we know what Holder did in this very serious matter, since he refuses to cooperate with the legally constituted investigation, and his Master is shielding him through the illicit use of executive Penalty?

Thought is called for here.
If this President over the last three and a half years had made any effort to secure the border instead of running operations like Fast and Furious where-- I mean, Bob, you got to admit, this is almost Nixonian, if not absolutely Nixonian in the cover-up that's going on with this Fast and Furious. Don't you agree with that?

BOB SCHIEFFER: Well, I would-- I would ask you what do you think should be done on that? Do you think Congress should hold the attorney general in contempt? It's-- it's coming down to that. Give me your thoughts on what should happen here.

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: Well, when you think about it, we've had over three hundred Mexican nationals killed directly attributable to this Fast and Furious operation where they brought those guns into Mexico, and a former Marine and a Border Patrol agent by the name of Brian Terry lost his life. I mean, with Watergate, you had a second-rate burglary. And now you have a President who is using his executive privilege to keep that information from Congress. If that's not Nixonian, then I don't know what is, Bob.

BOB SCHIEFFER: So but-- but you're saying-- would you favor the Congress holding him in contempt because it looks like that's what may be about to happen here?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: What I would favor is the President of the United States being transparent with what is going on. I mean what is so important-- I mean what are they hiding? What has gone on that is so important that I'm going to use executive privilege to keep the United States Congress from having documents? This is really troubling.

BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): What-- what--

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: Very troubling to the American people.

BOB SCHIEFFER: What exactly are you accusing the President of here, Governor?

GOVERNOR RICK PERRY: I don't know. I mean that's the issue. If-- if-- if he will be transparent, if he will be open with Congress and the American people then we will know what went on with Fast and Furious. Why were those guns being transported and-- and then totally lost control of, and ending up in the hands of cartels who used them for criminal activities up to and including murder of United States Border Patrol Agent.

Face the Nation" transcripts, June 24, 2012: Gov. Perry
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"by finding the guns at crime scenes"?!?!?!?!?...

Not "stop the crimes", but "wait until the crimes HAPPENED and then collect the guns"?!?!?!

There were MURDERS, you a$$holes!!!!!!!...And the "plan" was to ALLOW THEM!!!!!...
That doesn't make them murderers - they didn't set up the crime scenes or commit the crimes nor would they have any knowledge ahead of time that the crimes were happening. It was a badly bungled operation but that doesn't make them murderers.

At least keep the dialogue honest.
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