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Old 05-11-2012, 11:53 AM
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Obama changed his mind for more votes, obviously....



He's a political whore.....
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Incorrect sir. Follow the money, gay donors were closing their checkbooks before the President's "evolution" a little pandering reversed that. How cynical of Obama to announce his flacid endorsement of gay marriage as a fundraising ploy.
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That is kind of why I tend to like Jesus and his central commandment, but not the Judeo-Christian doctrine so much.
I believe this observation is rooted in the (rather wobbly) belief that the locus of Christianity is Jesus' recorded teachings, free of any supplementation.

More accurately, the locus of Christianity is the (indespensible) doctrine of The Holy Trinity.

This doctrine holds that the three parts of the Holy Trinity--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit--are co-equal. They are to be awarded the same degree of reverence.

Christians believe that all the canonical books of the New Testament were inspired by the Holy Spirit; therefore, they are equal in authority to the recorded words of Jesus.

Certainly, one is free to either accept or reject Christianity. But one ought not attempt to subvert it, by dismissing the teachings of Peter, Paul, and other New Testament writers, as though their writings were of little or no value, when compared with the recorded words of Jesus...
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Ah, I see what you are saying. I disagree that it is a special right however.
I agree, gay marriage is neither special nor is it a right.
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When President Obama announced he now supports same-sex marriage, he cited his Christian faith.

"The thing at root that we think about is, not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf, but it's also the Golden Rule, you know — treat others the way you would want to be treated," he said in his interview with ABC News.
It is an interesting observation; but not a particulary trenchant (or even useful) one.

There is a fundamental rule of biblical hermeneutics that goes as follows: General principles (e.g. how one would prefer to be treated) are invariably trumped by specific biblical teachings or approved apostolic examples.

Since the latter point (i.e. approved apostolic examples) is inapplicable here, it would seem prudent to look for specific biblical teachings on the matter--specifically, from the New Testament era--as determinative...
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It is an interesting observation; but not a particulary trenchant (or even useful) one.

There is a fundamental rule of biblical hermeneutics that goes as follows: General principles (e.g. how one would prefer to be treated) are invariably trumped by specific biblical teachings or approved apostolic examples.

Since the latter point (i.e. approved apostolic examples) is inapplicable here, it would seem prudent to look for specific biblical teachings on the matter--specifically, from the New Testament era--as determinative...
Are you nuts? That would involve actually reading the Bible.

It is highly improbable the same President that couldn't rouse himself to read his signature piece of legislation could devote the attention needed to study the Bible himself. He has people for that like Reverends Wright and Wallis.
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