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pjohns 04-19-2012 08:27 PM

Is President Obama about to give Russia an important part of Alaska?
 
Is the Obama administration poised to give away--to Russia--a portion of Alaska?

Here is a bit from WorldNetDaily, from about two months ago:

"Part of Obama's apparent war against U.S. energy independence includes a foreign-aid program that directly threatens my state's sovereign territory. Obama's State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin.

"The seven endangered islands in the Arctic Ocean and Bering Sea include one the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. The Russians are also to get the tens of thousands of square miles of oil-rich seabeds surrounding the islands. The Department of Interior estimates billions of barrels of oil are at stake.

"The State Department has undertaken the giveaway in the guise of a maritime boundary agreement between Alaska and Siberia. Astoundingly, our federal government itself drew the line to put these seven Alaskan islands on the Russian side. But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by President Obama or Secretary Clinton.

"The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment. This is despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition – but the State Department doesn’t seem to care."

Here is the link: Obama’s giveaway: Oil-rich islands to Russia

Coyote 04-19-2012 08:33 PM

Re: Is President Obama about to give Russia an important part of Alaska?
 
World Net Daily.

The rest of the story:
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/03/ala...land-giveaway/

saltwn 04-19-2012 09:56 PM

Re: Is President Obama about to give Russia an important part of Alaska?
 
Hope it's Sarah's part. sorry couldn't resist. :devil

dabateman 04-19-2012 10:59 PM

Re: Is President Obama about to give Russia an important part of Alaska?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 426295)
Is the Obama administration poised to give away--to Russia--a portion of Alaska?

Here is a bit from WorldNetDaily, from about two months ago:

"Part of Obama's apparent war against U.S. energy independence includes a foreign-aid program that directly threatens my state's sovereign territory. Obama's State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin.

"The seven endangered islands in the Arctic Ocean and Bering Sea include one the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. The Russians are also to get the tens of thousands of square miles of oil-rich seabeds surrounding the islands. The Department of Interior estimates billions of barrels of oil are at stake.

"The State Department has undertaken the giveaway in the guise of a maritime boundary agreement between Alaska and Siberia. Astoundingly, our federal government itself drew the line to put these seven Alaskan islands on the Russian side. But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by President Obama or Secretary Clinton.

"The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment. This is despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition – but the State Department doesn’t seem to care."

Here is the link: Obama’s giveaway: Oil-rich islands to Russia

Really? A WND article? I thought you were more savvy. Please say this is an attempt at a joke.

Comet 04-19-2012 11:33 PM

Re: Is President Obama about to give Russia an important part of Alaska?
 
Let us look at the islands Obama is allegedly giving away.

The first one on the article's list is Wrangel Island.

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Wrangel Island belongs administratively to the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug of the Russian Federation.
Wrangel Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The next one on the list is Bennett Island.

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Bennett Island is part of the Sakha Republic administrative division of Russia.
Bennett Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The third is Jeannette Island.

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In 1916 the Russian ambassador in London issued an official notice to the effect that the Imperial government considered Henrietta, along with other Arctic islands, integral parts of the Russian Empire. This territorial claim was later maintained by the Soviet Union.
Jeannette Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fourth is Henrietta Island.

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Some U.S. individuals assert American ownership of Henrietta Island based on the 1881 discovery and claim. A resolution of the Alaska State Senate in 1988 supported this claim. There also are various documents from the former Department of the Navy stating that the United States asserts sovereignty over the island. However, according to the U.S. Department of State in 2003, the U.S. government has never claimed Henrietta Island. In 1994, the Alaska State Supreme Court ruled in D. Denardo v. State of Alaska that Henrietta Island, along with several islands, is not part of Alaska. But this ruling did not preclude that the island is a possession of the United States, for example as an unincorporated territory.
Henrietta Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Next up the De Long Islands.

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This island group belongs to the Sakha (Yakutia) Republic administrative division of Russia.
De Long Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Next Copper Island, which appears to be called Medny Island.

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These islands belong to the Kamchatka Krai of the Russian Federation.
Medny Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Next up, Sea Lion Rock.

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Some private individuals in the United States claim that this island, along with Medny Island and Sea Otter Rocks, are disputed territory based on the Alaskan Purchase . However, the U.S. government has never articulated a claim to these islands, and recognizes them as Russian territory
Sea Lion Rock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for Sea Otter Rocks.

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Some private individuals in the U.S. regard the rocks, along with Medny Island and Sea Lion Rock, as disputed territory based on the text of the Alaska Purchase of 1867. Article I states that all of the Aleutian Islands east of 167 degrees east longitude would henceforth to belong to the United States, but Sea Otter Rocks is on the Russian side of the boundary specification.

According to United States Department of State, these areas were not included in the Alaska Purchase, and there has never been any U.S. claim to them.

Sea Otter Rocks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, as you can see, there is zero truth to any of these claims Obama is giving away Alaskan territory. I just debunked every one of the islands the article claims Obama is giving away and I did not even have to shoot the messenger. :thumbsup

Facts always win. :yes

pjohns 04-19-2012 11:53 PM

Re: Is President Obama about to give Russia an important part of Alaska?
 
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Originally Posted by Coyote (Post 426299)
World Net Daily.

The rest of the story:
FactCheck.org : Alaskan Island Giveaway?

Yes, I have seen this rationalization from Factcheck.org previously.

The mere fact that these islands "lie far closer to the coast of Siberia than to Alaska" (as noted in its response) is hardly dispositive.

In any case, you appear to have a rather high regard for Factcheck.org.

I have...well, not so much...

pjohns 04-20-2012 12:02 AM

Re: Is President Obama about to give Russia an important part of Alaska?
 
Here is a bit from another article, on the subject:

"You have to go back to 1990, when the unconstitutional groundwork for the natural resource giveaway was first hatched. ...

"On June 1, 1990, Secretary of State James Baker signed a secret executive agreement with Eduard Shevardnadze, the former U.S.S.R. foreign minister. It specified that even though the treaty had not been ratified, the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. agreed to abide by the terms of the treaty beginning June 15, 1990. The Senate ratified the U.S.-U.S.S.R. Maritime Boundary Treaty in 1991, which was then signed by President George Bush.

"The Alaska House & Senate were never consulted on the land grab and violation of states rights, so they teamed with then Governor, Walter J. Hickel to lobby President Bill Clinton to undo the treaty but were not successful."

dabateman 04-20-2012 12:05 AM

Re: Is President Obama about to give Russia an important part of Alaska?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 426378)
Here is a bit from another article, on the subject:

"You have to go back to 1990, when the unconstitutional groundwork for the natural resource giveaway was first hatched. ...

"On June 1, 1990, Secretary of State James Baker signed a secret executive agreement with Eduard Shevardnadze, the former U.S.S.R. foreign minister. It specified that even though the treaty had not been ratified, the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. agreed to abide by the terms of the treaty beginning June 15, 1990. The Senate ratified the U.S.-U.S.S.R. Maritime Boundary Treaty in 1991, which was then signed by President George Bush.

"The Alaska House & Senate were never consulted on the land grab and violation of states rights, so they teamed with then Governor, Walter J. Hickel to lobby President Bill Clinton to undo the treaty but were not successful."

Can we get a link to this article? I'd like to see what type of tinfoil hat individuals we're going to be debunking now.

Comet 04-20-2012 12:07 AM

Re: Is President Obama about to give Russia an important part of Alaska?
 
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Originally Posted by pjohns
In any case, you appear to have a rather high regard for Factcheck.org.

I have...well, not so much...

You dismiss Factcheck.org but take WordNetDaily (or whatever that site was) as gospel? :confused

Why, because it tells you what you want to hear and paints Obama in a negative light?

That makes sense.

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Originally Posted by pjohns (Post 426375)
The mere fact that these islands "lie far closer to the coast of Siberia than to Alaska" (as noted in its response) is hardly dispositive

Forget about where they lie. How about the fact all of the islands mentioned in the article belong to Russia?

See post #5. Unless Wikipedia is now all of a sudden not credible.

dabateman 04-20-2012 12:09 AM

Re: Is President Obama about to give Russia an important part of Alaska?
 
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Originally Posted by Comet (Post 426380)
You dismiss Factcheck.org but take WordNetDaily (or whatever that site was) as gospel? :confused

Why, because it tells you what you want to hear and paints Obama in a negative light?

That makes sense.



Forget about where they lie. How about the fact all of the islands mentioned in the article belong to Russia?

See post #5. Unless Wikipedia is now all of a sudden not credible.

Comet, I'm afraid pjohns' account might have been hijacked... Something. This isn't his normal game.


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