Obamas Paid 20.5% in Income Taxes, 2011 Returns Show - Page 2

saltwn · #11 (**permalink**) 04-14-2012, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

But Obama is not everyone else he is the President who supposedly sets an example for us.

So should a POTUS who advocates less taxes but doesn't get it through congress, pay the amount he advocates?

Oftencold · #12 (**permalink**) 04-14-2012, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

Obamas Paid 20.5% in Income Taxes, 2011 Returns Show

The Fisher House Foundation sounds like a worthy cause..

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The Obamas also reported donating $172,130 – or about 22% of their adjusted gross income – to 39 different charities. Their largest donation was a $117,130 contribution to the Fisher House Foundation. Mr. Obama is donating the after-tax proceeds from his children’s book to Fisher House, a scholarship fund for children of fallen and disabled soldiers.

A very big point in their favor.

saltwn · #13 (**permalink**) 04-14-2012, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Oftencold

A very big point in their favor.

a surprising give-the-devil-his-due acknowledgement from our resident grinch!

AZRWinger · #14 (**permalink**) 04-14-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

So should a POTUS who advocates less taxes but doesn't get it through congress, pay the amount he advocates?

Paying less in taxes than the law allows would be illegal. But paying more in this case to set an example shows commitment to the policies he espouses.

saltwn · #15 (**permalink**) 04-14-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Paying less in taxes than the law allows would be illegal. But paying more in this case to set an example shows commitment to the policies he espouses.

Or sheer idiocy.

foundit66 · #16 (**permalink**) 04-14-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

It is perfectly rational to expect a politician who advocates for raising his personal taxes to set an example by paying that amount even if he is not obligated to do so.

Paying higher taxes on an individual basis does nothing to actually resolve the problem.
The point is the GOVERNMENT needs to change their policy.
And you want to demand that liberals give up more of their paychecks in order to fix a problem that has been PRIMARILY CAUSED BY REPUBLICANS...

I can see why that appeals to you.

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

If it is such a noble idea why not set an example by doing it voluntarily.

Because it does nothing to actually change the policy, which is what needs to happen.

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Per usual you offer a bizzare distortion equating going to war with writing a check to the IRS. Your creativity is commendable but no substitute for logic. Kindly explain why Obama cannot write a check to boost his contribution to the IRS to the same maximum level he proposes for those making over $250K.

Nobody is saying he cannot.
Just like people who want to go to Iran cannot fly over there and start fighting.

"Why can't they..." isn't the issue.
Why SHOULD they is the issue...

And when one realizes IT DOES NOTHING TO FIX THE PROBLEM, one can rationally recognize the foolishness of your insistence.

I am routinely underwhelmed at how much criticism of Obama comes from the right-wing complaining that Obama isn't doing what they (and they alone) THINK he should be doing.

1069 · #17 (**permalink**) 04-14-2012, 05:49 PM

I have never doubted that the Obamas are ethical people.
Barack Obama's history has shown, time and time again, that he will pass up opportunities to get rich, in favor of making a positive difference, or at least what he perceives as such.

blarset · #18 (**permalink**) 04-14-2012, 06:47 PM

I think he ascribes to the view of America as A white country club thats been ran by insiders. He is a product of Affirmative action and I feel as if he sees governement as a tool that can help out the less advantaged and those suffering at the hands of the able and affluent who should be forced to do more for them by the government. I believe he is sincere in his passions. I just happen to disagree with his view of the country and the need for government to solve some of our issues. My world view is directly at odds with his, as I am positive most of America is too. My prediction is that he will serve this term then be beaten in the election by Mitt Romney.
As far as taxes I hope he and everyone can find a way to pay less!!!!

Gordon Shumway · #19 (**permalink**) 04-14-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

This question is like saying "So you feel like we should go to war with Iran? So why don't you fly over there pick up a gun and start fighting."

It's a meaningless knee-jerk response that tries to criticize without respect to RATIONAL expectations on differences between GOVERNMENTAL policy and INDIVIDUAL action.

not even close.
i'm pretty sure you'd be breaking some sort of international law if you just went to iran & started shooting up the place without some sort of declaration or authorization of war from your government & being an active member of your country's military might also be a requirement as well.
however, there is a provision making it possible & legal to pay more in taxes than what you are legal bound to pay if you so choose --- a perfectly logical thing to do for someone who advocates higher taxes.

AZRWinger · #20 (**permalink**) 04-15-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Paying higher taxes on an individual basis does nothing to actually resolve the problem.
The point is the GOVERNMENT needs to change their policy.
And you want to demand that liberals give up more of their paychecks in order to fix a problem that has been PRIMARILY CAUSED BY REPUBLICANS...

I can see why that appeals to you.

Because it does nothing to actually change the policy, which is what needs to happen.

Nobody is saying he cannot.
Just like people who want to go to Iran cannot fly over there and start fighting.

"Why can't they..." isn't the issue.
Why SHOULD they is the issue...

And when one realizes IT DOES NOTHING TO FIX THE PROBLEM, one can rationally recognize the foolishness of your insistence.

I am routinely underwhelmed at how much criticism of Obama comes from the right-wing complaining that Obama isn't doing what they (and they alone) THINK he should be doing.

I am repeated underwhelmed by what passes for logical argument on the Left as if fighting in a war as an independent militia is equivalent to writing a check in support of tax policy.

It is not a matter of political opponents telling Obama what he ought to do, it is a matter of Obama living his own policies. His failure to do so is typical of the Left whose policy prescriptions are only to be applied to others. We see this hypocrisy expressed in the apologist rhetoric offered in Obama's defense, paying more voluntarily is not worthwhile because all are not compelled by government.

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