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ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.

What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.

Zimmerman called 911 and told dispatchers he was following a teen. The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to.

And from that moment to the shooting, details are few.

But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.


"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.
Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman
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Gee. I'm walking through my father's minding my own business neighborhood when some guy starts following me and then accosts me with a gun. So I maybe decide that I have to fight this guy. Ya think?
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Did anybody notice the teensy weensy little omission in the story posted above?

You know... where Zimmerman is IN HIS CAR. <-- Told to STAY THERE.

So... Zimmerman picks up his gun (which he is NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE to do the volunteer "work") and accosts the black kid.

Wuzzn't mentioned, wuzzit?

Oh... and did anyone note the omission of the huge red waving flag regarding the past history of Zimmerman? Over 40 911 calls in under two weeks.

That boy Zimmerman was seeing evildoers simply everywhere, wuzzn't he?

Howcum no mention of the lead-in to him getting his @ss pounded?
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I don' have enough info, but I can' imagine the police letting him go if he killed the kid with no provocation.

Thanks for the post, Mint. Tip: maybe people would take you more seriously if you didn't have a pictue of a big liar in your avatar. But my avatars are crazy sometimes too. To each his own I guess.
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I don' have enough info, but I can' imagine the police letting him go if he killed the kid with no provocation.

Thanks for the post, Mint. Tip: maybe people would take you more seriously if you didn't have a pictue of a big liar in your avatar. But my avatars are crazy sometimes too. To each his own I guess.

Zimmerman initiated the confrontation then claimed self defense against a kid who was much smaller and unnarmed. The police screwed up.
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Gee. I'm walking through my father's minding my own business neighborhood when some guy starts following me and then accosts me with a gun. So I maybe decide that I have to fight this guy. Ya think?
Exactly.

According to Trayvon's friend, who was on the phone with him at the time, he worried he was being stalked by a strange man.

If you are a young black teenager, on foot - being stalked by a white man in a car is no small thing. In fact, it could be very frightening.

All Mr. Zimmerman had to do was obey the police and let them do their job. He didn't have to be a vigilante and an innocent boy did not have to die.
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I don' have enough info, but I can' imagine the police letting him go if he killed the kid with no provocation.

Thanks for the post, Mint. Tip: maybe people would take you more seriously if you didn't have a pictue of a big liar in your avatar. But my avatars are crazy sometimes too. To each his own I guess.
The way the law is written allows for a very generous interpretation of "self-defense" - in fact, one of the complaints from the police is it even allows criminals to claim self defense in certain cases.
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Zimmerman initiated the confrontation then claimed self defense against a kid who was much smaller and unnarmed. The police screwed up.
If Martin were on top of him beating him, it was self defense.
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If Martin were on top of him beating him, it was self defense.
It was "self defense" in a situation Zimmerman instigated. That is not good
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Did anybody notice the teensy weensy little omission in the story posted above?

You know... where Zimmerman is IN HIS CAR. <-- Told to STAY THERE.

So... Zimmerman picks up his gun (which he is NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE to do the volunteer "work") and accosts the black kid.

Wuzzn't mentioned, wuzzit?

Oh... and did anyone note the omission of the huge red waving flag regarding the past history of Zimmerman? Over 40 911 calls in under two weeks.

That boy Zimmerman was seeing evildoers simply everywhere, wuzzn't he?

Howcum no mention of the lead-in to him getting his @ss pounded?
There is zero evidence Zimmerman laid a hand on Martin.

I'm glad to see this story starting to backfire on the lynchmob media and their mob.

If this story plays out as I suspect it will, there will be a whole lotta people with egg on their faces.
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