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Old 08-13-2012, 08:33 PM
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He acknowledged it and from his conversation indicated that he wasn't going to pursue.



That's highly debatable. Dispatchers are often considered to be the first first responders. The Dispatchers speak on behalf of the police prior to their arrival. In that vein, they are agents of the police giving lawful orders.






you have a source for this? I cannot find anything to agree . Lots of 911 operators are civilian not LEO.

They are considered first responsers. but from what I can tell they are still in a fight for more authority.
Agency law...

But I'm sure you have a reliable source that says they aren't right?
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I think it's going to be tough on both sides, but you don't give up your "slam dunk" argument for the weaker argument, and that's what the defense has essentially done.
Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Traditionally, if a person was anywhere but their home, the Self Defense law required a person to attempt to first retreat before engaging an aggressor. And to further complicate matters, the defense could only be raised at trial. But in October of 2005, Florida passed the Stand Your Ground Law, which dramatically changed the legal landscape of self defense law.

Under the Stand Your Ground Law, a person who is attacked has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand their ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if it is reasonably believed necessary to to prevent death or great bodily harm or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Also, the Stand Your Ground Law now allows a person to raise the issue of Self Defense both at a Pretrial Hearing and at trial. As a result, if a judge finds that your actions were justified, the Judge is required to dismiss the charges and no trial is required. If the judge does not find your actions were justified, the defense can still be presented to a jury and they can make their own independent determination of whether your actions were justified.

This is a provision of the "stand your ground"

I believe they are still going after dismisal
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Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Traditionally, if a person was anywhere but their home, the Self Defense law required a person to attempt to first retreat before engaging an aggressor. And to further complicate matters, the defense could only be raised at trial. But in October of 2005, Florida passed the Stand Your Ground Law, which dramatically changed the legal landscape of self defense law.

Under the Stand Your Ground Law, a person who is attacked has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand their ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if it is reasonably believed necessary to to prevent death or great bodily harm or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Also, the Stand Your Ground Law now allows a person to raise the issue of Self Defense both at a Pretrial Hearing and at trial. As a result, if a judge finds that your actions were justified, the Judge is required to dismiss the charges and no trial is required. If the judge does not find your actions were justified, the defense can still be presented to a jury and they can make their own independent determination of whether your actions were justified.

This is a provision of the "stand your ground"

I believe they are still going after dismisal
Yeah, but they have to claim Stand your ground... Which he's not.
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Agency law...

But I'm sure you have a reliable source that says they aren't right?

Show me where they bestowed these rights to 911 operators.

The intronets seems to disagree

EMS 911 Emergency Dispatchers

It appears the work for the Dept of Health. Just require a 911 operators certification and training
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Yeah, but they have to claim Stand your ground... Which he's not.
Trayvon Martin’s Death is not a Stand Your Ground Case – Sort Of – bLAWg, bLOG, BLAHg

This is why I posted what I did. When they changed the stand your ground law, they amended a few other statues.

The Self Defense at pre trial and trial was one of them.

Im not as dumb as some here make me out to be

Dont forget I grew up with a police officer. 30+ years now

We have had some interseting "law" debates
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George Zimmerman defense asks judge for original recording of interview with 'star witness'

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George Zimmerman's legal team has asked a judge to force an attorney for Trayvon Martin's family to turn over to the defense a recorded interview with the witness described as the teen's girlfriend.

According to Benjamin Crump, an attorney representing Trayvon's family, the girlfriend was on the phone with 17-year-old Trayvon moments before he was shot by Zimmerman on Feb. 26.

At issue is a recorded interview Crump conducted with the girl, identified in prosecution documents as Witness 8. Crump played a portion of his talk with Witness 8 at a press conference in late March.
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Crump has said that Witness 8 is 16 years old, but the defense writes in its motion that she is actually 18. She has not been publicly identified by either the state or defense, pursuant to a judge's order.

Witness 8's testimony may prove crucial to the state's case, because her account of events corroborates the state's assertion that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon before the shooting in Sanford.
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In a new motion, defense attorney Don West refers to Witness 8 as the state's "star witness."

A copy of Crump's interview with Witness 8 already turned over to the defense is unintelligible, West argues in the new motion, urging the judge to order Crump to provide the original.

Circuit Judge Debra Nelson previously ruled Crump should bring the recording to his deposition by the defense, but West argues the defense needs the recording before his and other depositions.

Before Witness 8 is deposed the defense needs "the original recording of her interview," West argues, adding that it's "important that the original recording be available for expert examination."

West's motion asks Nelson to order Crump to turn the device he used to record the interview over to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. The next hearing in the case is set for Dec. 11.
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Trayvon Martin’s Death is not a Stand Your Ground Case – Sort Of – bLAWg, bLOG, BLAHg

This is why I posted what I did. When they changed the stand your ground law, they amended a few other statues.

The Self Defense at pre trial and trial was one of them.

Im not as dumb as some here make me out to be

Dont forget I grew up with a police officer. 30+ years now

We have had some interseting "law" debates
The source link expired. Here is the working one
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