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Another thing that bothers me with this, is they tested the teen for drugs and alcohol, but not Mr. Zimmerman. I listened to the 911 call, and it is at least a possibility he was intoxicated or under the influence. I have no other recording of him to tell the difference, but it shocks me he would not at least be tested after being involved in a fatality.

I am pleased the Department of Justice is getting involved in this one. This just does not sit right with me.
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The reality is that it is a cop's JOB to make judgment calls all the time regarding "guilt or innocence" in terms of whether or not someone has broken the law. That's why they arrest people. For instance, if someone is GUILTY of breaking into a home, they arrest them.
Incorrect. They arrest when evidence points to the person possibly being guilty. Guilt is decided in a court of law, not by the officers.
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Incorrect. They arrest when evidence points to the person possibly being guilty. Guilt is decided in a court of law, not by the officers.
To take that a step further, there have been clear cases where Joe Shoe's approach has been tried in the past.
Ironically, they also extend to police looking the other way when a white man kills a black person.

Not saying that this example in February is racist because there is insufficient evidence to that effect (IMO), but the above IS the type of crap that giving the cops this sort of "discretion" leads to...
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I think Zimmerman needs to be sent to Afghanistan to patrol the streets there for suspicious Taliban activity.
Without a gun.
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To take that a step further, there have been clear cases where Joe Shoe's approach has been tried in the past.
Ironically, they also extend to police looking the other way when a white man kills a black person.

Not saying that this example in February is racist because there is insufficient evidence to that effect (IMO), but the above IS the type of crap that giving the cops this sort of "discretion" leads to...
Holders DOJ is interested in this case primarily as a platform to attack second amendment rights. White bigot shoots innocent black kid in the South plays into the narrative of the progressive Federal government protecting minorities from a cracker local government. Rest assured the OA would not have the slightest interest in the case if the participants races were different.
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Incorrect. They arrest when evidence points to the person possibly being guilty. Guilt is decided in a court of law, not by the officers.
They have to make JUDGMENT CALLS all the time in arresting people. It's not like it's always cut and dry. No one is saying here that courts shouldn't decide whether anyone is guilty in terms of criminal culpability. You guys are arguing something no one disagrees with. The bottom line is that the police probably did the best they could with the law they have and the situation when they were called to the scene. Again, the article is too lacking in details to know for certain. But REGARDLESS of the court's role, if there was no current legal basis for the guy to have been arrested at the time, given the way the law is NOW, the police did nothing wrong here.
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Holders DOJ is interested in this case primarily as a platform to attack second amendment rights.
I think you bring up a good point; 2nd amendment defenders have to be ever-vigilant about how the Obama govt. responds and potentially play up cases like this. It's the sort of thing that is exactly the type of case they are likely looking for to use.
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They have to make JUDGMENT CALLS all the time in arresting people. It's not like it's always cut and dry. No one is saying here that courts shouldn't decide whether anyone is guilty in terms of criminal culpability. You guys are arguing something no one disagrees with. The bottom line is that the police probably did the best they could with the law they have and the situation when they were called to the scene. Again, the article is too lacking in details to know for certain. But REGARDLESS of the court's role, if there was no current legal basis for the guy to have been arrested at the time, given the way the law is NOW, the police did nothing wrong here.
Yes, they did. They had to know what was said on the 911 call. He stated he was pursuing the boy. The unarmed boy. The unarmed boy he felt so threatened by. They had all the reason in the world to take him in. He ****ing killed an unarmed person that he was following. There is no law in this country that says that's okay. The stand your ground law in Florida is a self defense law. Not a "chase them down and kill them" law.
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Yes, they did. They had to know what was said on the 911 call. He stated he was pursuing the boy.
Nope, they can only know what the dispatcher tells them. They don't get a transcript or recording played back to them over police radio. There are too many factors here to just blame the police for their actions, without further facts. The dispatcher may have just told the officers he was following the guy and observing. We don't know what was told to the officer.
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Nope, they can only know what the dispatcher tells them. They don't get a transcript or recording played back to them over police radio. There are too many factors here to just blame the police for their actions, without further facts. The dispatcher may have just told the officers he was following the guy and observing. We don't know what was told to the officer.
yes, the dispatcher most likely did tell them that he was following the guy. Hence why he obviously didn't feel so threatened. Aside from that, even if they didn't know at that moment, they most assuredly would have heard the tape later on. It's not like they can't go back and arrest the guy later.
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