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Coyote 03-15-2012 08:16 PM

In Protest, Democrats Zero In On Men's Reproductive Health
 
In Protest, Democrats Zero In On Men's Reproductive Health : Shots - Health Blog : NPR

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For perhaps the first time in recent history, male reproductive health is at the forefront of political debate.

In at least six states, lawmakers all women and all Democrats have proposed bills or amendments in the last few weeks that aim to regulate a man's access to reproductive health care. It's their way of responding to the ongoing debate around contraception and abortion, said Jennifer Lawless, director of the Women & Politics Institute at American University.

Some would prohibit men from getting vasectomies, such as Georgia's House Bill 1116, which states:

"Thousands of children are deprived of birth in this state every year because of the lack of state regulation over vasectomies."

Others, like an amendment proposed by Oklahoma State Sen. Constance Johnson, restrict where a man can ejaculate, effectively outlawing all manner of sexual acts. The amendment says:

"Any action in which a man ejaculates or otherwise deposits semen anywhere but in a woman's vagina shall be interpreted and construed as an action against an unborn child."

And Ohio State Sen. Nina Turner recently put forward legislation that would require men seeking drugs like Viagra to first get a cardiac stress test to ensure their heart is ready for sexual activity. Oh, and they would also have to obtain certification from one of their recent sexual partners that they are indeed experiencing problems with erectile dysfunction. And they would be required to see a sex therapist before getting a prescription.

The bill states:

"The physician shall ensure that the sessions include information on nonpharmaceutical treatments for erectile dysfunction, including sexual counseling and resources for patients to pursue celibacy as a viable lifestyle choice."

Turner says society has been programmed to accept the idea that legislators can regulate a woman's ability to obtain contraception or get a safe abortion. "We don't see anything wrong with it because that's the way we've been socialized," she told Shots. But now that the tables are turning and the focus is on men's reproductive health, people think it's strange, she said.

However, American University's Lawless said that bills like Turner's have almost a zero likelihood of becoming law.

Already, we are seeing some of them shot down. In January, the Virginia Senate voted against an amendment proposed by Virginia Sen. Janet Howell, a Democrat, which would have required a man to get a digital rectal exam and cardiac stress test before getting a prescription for an erectile-dysfunction drug.

Howell proposed her amendment in response to a controversial bill that would require women seeking abortions to undergo ultrasound imaging first. The bill eventually passed and was signed into law after vaginal ultrasounds were dropped from the requirements.

The ultimate goal in proposing bills related to male reproductive health is not to get them passed, Lawless said. By drawing attention to these bills, she said, Democrats are looking to motivate independent and undecided voters, especially women, to show up at the polls in November for the general election.
I love it:thumbsup

However, the very fact that these bills get shot down while bills against women's reproductive issues get serious consideration is disheartening :(

1069 03-15-2012 08:23 PM

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What's ironic is that nearly all insurance covers Viagra, but less than a quarter of employer-subsidized insurance plans cover female fertility treatments.
It's not just that our society doesn't believe women have the right to prevent conception; they don't believe women have the right to control their own reproductive systems or their own fertility, one way or the other.

Coyote 03-15-2012 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 1069 (Post 412850)
What's ironic is that nearly all insurance covers Viagra, but less than a quarter of employer-subsidized insurance plans cover female fertility treatments.
It's not just that our society doesn't believe women have the right to prevent conception; they don't believe women have the right to control their own reproductive systems or their own fertility, one way or the other.

Sadly that becomes more and more evident - however they sugar coat it!

You'd think we'd have advanced by now :(

saltwn 03-15-2012 08:25 PM

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Well to tell you the truth I think men should get counseling before taking a pill for ED just to see if it's psychosomatic and a cardio exam is just common sense.

Coyote 03-15-2012 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 412853)
Well to tell you the truth I think men should get counseling before taking a pill for ED just to see if it's psychosomatic and a cardio exam is just common sense.

I kinda like the idea of digital rectal exam to make sure there isn't a growth or something ya know...but, that's just me:p

saltwn 03-15-2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote (Post 412854)
I kinda like the idea of digital rectal exam to make sure there isn't a growth or something ya know...but, that's just me:p

Well during recent events, my spouse remarked to his urologist, "The next person who does an exam requiring a finger cot needs to put some money on the table first"
so I would sympathize with the guys on that one. :o

1069 03-15-2012 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote (Post 412854)
I kinda like the idea of digital rectal exam to make sure there isn't a growth or something ya know...but, that's just me:p

It is important. Impotence is often an early sign of prostate cancer.
Women have to have all sorts of tests and screenings to rule out all sorts of diseases and cancers before receiving treatment for infertility; and they have to do it at their own expense, since insurance rarely covers it.

cnredd 03-15-2012 09:16 PM

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Democrats Perform Kabuki Theater...:shrug

saltwn 03-15-2012 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 412878)
Democrats Perform Kabuki Theater...:shrug

Are you posting in the correct thread? :confused

cnredd 03-15-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 412890)
Are you posting in the correct thread? :confused

Absolutely!...:yes

WallyWager 03-15-2012 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 412891)
Absolutely!...:yes

Then please pass that sh-t!

:weed

saltwn 03-15-2012 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 412891)
Absolutely!...:yes

What's a kabuti and whats the relevance?

Oftencold 03-15-2012 09:32 PM

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Hysterical silly people , consumed with fantasies about make-believe issues 'cause they lack the wit, spine, hear and liver, as well as the gonads to deal with real world issues.


Don't you folks ever get tired of this crap? You Liberal/Marxist folks, do know that their are real problems right? You might take a clue form the lack of information, especially historical and economic information between your ears.

This was a rant, and lemme tell ya', it felt good!

saltwn 03-15-2012 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Oftencold (Post 412894)
Hysterical silly people , consumed with fantasies about make-believe issues 'cause they lack the wit, spine, hear and liver, as well as the gonads to deal with real world issues.


Don't you folks ever get tired of this crap? You Liberal/Marxist folks, do know that their are real problems right? You might take a clue form the lack of information, especially historical and economic information between your ears.

The was a rant, and lemme tell ya', it felt good!

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1069 03-15-2012 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oftencold (Post 412894)
Hysterical silly people , consumed with fantasies about make-believe issues 'cause they lack the wit, spine, hear and liver, as well as the gonads to deal with real world issues.


Don't you folks ever get tired of this crap? You Liberal/Marxist folks, do know that their are real problems right? You might take a clue form the lack of information, especially historical and economic information between your ears.

The was a rant, and lemme tell ya', it felt good!

In fact, I really don't care about anything more than I care about equal rights for all citizens (regardless of sex or race) under the law.
Do you think blacks in the Jim Crow south were all that worried about foreign policy or whatever the hell you think qualifies as "real problems"?
If women don't even have the legal right to control their own reproductive functions, not only are most of them going to fail to be interested in unrelated problems that the males in charge deem important, but they are going to actively sabotage their oppressors, making finding solutions to these alleged "real problems" unlikely if not impossible.
In other words, "If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy."

Oftencold 03-15-2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 412896)

You'll note that I cast no reflection.

saltwn 03-15-2012 10:22 PM

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Well that proves you really are a Republican. :D

Oftencold 03-15-2012 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 1069 (Post 412901)
In fact, I really don't care about anything more than I care about equal rights for all citizens (regardless of sex or race) under the law.
Do you think blacks in the Jim Crow south were all that worried about foreign policy or whatever the hell you think qualifies as "real problems"?
If women don't even have the legal right to control their own reproductive functions, not only are most of them going to fail to be interested in unrelated problems that the males in charge deem important, but they are going to actively sabotage their oppressors, making finding solutions to these alleged "real problems" unlikely if not impossible.
In other words, "If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy."

How in the world is trying to take away women's right to "control*" their own reproductive functions? The actual issue, which of course the Democrats Puppet Masters cannot allow you to calm down enough to consider rationally, is whether other people are to be compelled to pay for you to do so.

Some of us, possibly in grave error, assume that you're a grown person, in control of your mental faculties and can purchase birth control without out help, which by the way, allows whoever provides that "help" one more control over your person.

You ought to take a little of that angst you have for us, and direct towards people who think they have there right to control your thoughts, opinions, information and emotions. This issue is make out of moonbeams, shadows and lies, and was fed to with all the grace of a farmer slopping the pigs.

Annoyed as I am with this faux issue, what the Left does to its own offends me far more.

*Except in a broad sense, on one "controls" their reproductive functions. they modify them, counter them, enhance them, or apply them. This is analogous to the lack of total control we have over our other bodily functions, so that we are not immortal flesh.

saltwn 03-15-2012 10:55 PM

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sure hope that helped

Oftencold 03-15-2012 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn (Post 412936)
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sure hope that helped

It help to illustrate the superiority of Right Wing thinking.

Of course, it's easy to be superior when one is alone in the contest.

Then she needs to take that up with her insurance company, who should be perfectly free to acquiesce or to decline. But for some reason, Lefties feel the the government needs to be involved.

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And of course, compelling the insurance companies to pay for anything, merely means that the costs are to be passed on to the rest of us though more obscure means.

There is no such thing as free health services. Nope.

saltwn 03-15-2012 11:57 PM

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Where are you getting this passed on cost malarky, Malarky?

That's the stupidest thing that has been argued here. None of the buildings owned by the Jesuits even sells birth contraceptives. And the area of Md /DC's largest health system owns the hospital and the system accounts for 111 million dollars worth of payroll there, so I believe they could afford to take the hit.
But the argument is absurd.
It's about Catholics not wanting to allow access to a valuable and life saving, and quality of life preserving medication. This medication is covered all the time on insurance and has for 30 years or more.

Bottom line. All available choices for health care should be included or you don't receive tax dollars for grants in research or student loans, and you don't get to call yourself a health care provider. You do however reserve the title of 15th century religious quack.
A woman who is religious and does not wish to take birth control pills does not have to. Contraceptives do however have to be available for birth control and for the preventative therapies they provide.

Oftencold 03-16-2012 12:05 AM

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OK, you seem to believe that Money Fairies will pay the insurance company's, or the government's costs if they decide to, or are forced to cover contraception.

So, there isn't much point in trying to explain per-school level economics for you.

saltwn 03-16-2012 12:12 AM

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she pays the insurance, dude. can u read????

Coyote 03-16-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Oftencold (Post 412894)
Hysterical silly people , consumed with fantasies about make-believe issues 'cause they lack the wit, spine, hear and liver, as well as the gonads to deal with real world issues.


Don't you folks ever get tired of this crap? You Liberal/Marxist folks, do know that their are real problems right? You might take a clue form the lack of information, especially historical and economic information between your ears.

This was a rant, and lemme tell ya', it felt good!

Cool :cool Now, are you ready for your nap?

Idealogically Promiscuous 03-16-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote (Post 412848)
In Protest, Democrats Zero In On Men's Reproductive Health : Shots - Health Blog : NPR



I love it:thumbsup

However, the very fact that these bills get shot down while bills against women's reproductive issues get serious consideration is disheartening :(

Well it's great to see that congress has nothing better to do than spend wasted effort on creating pieces of legislation that are nothing more than snarky little snipefests back and forth at each other.

How about instead of wasting tax payer money on spitefully creating a gender war, they actually bring some kind of conversation to the table?

I guess that would be a little too much to ask though, wouldn't it?

Coyote 03-16-2012 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous (Post 413071)
Well it's great to see that congress has nothing better to do than spend wasted effort on creating pieces of legislation that are nothing more than snarky little snipefests back and forth at each other.

How about instead of wasting tax payer money on spitefully creating a gender war, they actually bring some kind of conversation to the table?

I guess that would be a little too much to ask though, wouldn't it?

You've been watching Congress pursuing ridiculous and spiteful legislative actions for some time now. What do you think the answer is?

1069 03-16-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote (Post 413073)
You've been watching Congress pursuing ridiculous and spiteful legislative actions for some time now. What do you think the answer is?



I used to think the answer was to comport ourselves like adults and ignore what was vulgar, crass, and beneath us.
I no longer think so.
There are enough idiots in the world that we simply can't allow this misogynistic conservative movement to gain any more traction than it already has.
It's time to roll up our pant legs, wade into the mire in which they wallow like hogs in filth, and get dirty.


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