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Parents who lack teaching credentials cannot educate their children at home, according to a state appellate court ruling that is sending waves of fear through California's home schooling families.

Advocates for the families vowed to appeal the decision to the state Supreme Court. Enforcement until then appears unlikely, but if the ruling stands, home-schooling supporters say California will have the most regressive law in the nation.

"This decision is a direct hit against every home schooler in California," said Brad Dacus, president of the Pacific Justice Institute, which represents the Sunland Christian School, which specializes in religious home schooling. "If the state Supreme Court does not reverse this . . . there will be nothing to prevent home-school witch hunts from being implemented in every corner of the state of California."

The institute estimates there are as many as 166,000 California students who are home schooled. State Department of Education officials say there is no way to know the true number.

Unlike at least 30 other states, home schooling is not specifically addressed in California law. Under the state education code, students must be enrolled in a public or private school, or can be taught at home by a credentialed tutor.
Once again, the nanny state taking the responsibility out of parents' hands and into the state education system...which cries of too much burden and lack of funds...
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It is all about money. The school system is alloted a certain amount per student.
I can't count the people I know who home schooled their kids and saw them graduate from a fully accredited college.
What scares me is precedent. Another state may see Cali's win and decide to roll with their own new laws.
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Well, I think home schooling is bad... it is bad for the child and the society...

In another thread we talked about the lack of sense of community... home schooling is one way to make our children ALOT less social
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Well, I think home schooling is bad... it is bad for the child and the society...

In another thread we talked about the lack of sense of community... home schooling is one way to make our children ALOT less social
But the facts show that homeschooling laps public school by miles when it comes to actual education...

If you're the type of person that believes that school is "social" foremost and "education" secondary", go right ahead...

I sure as hell don't buy into that...

Also, look at every school shooting in the last decade...

...by kids who have been outcasts from the "social" structure of schooling...

In other words; your idea of what school should be failed them...
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It is all about money. The school system is alloted a certain amount per student.
I can't count the people I know who home schooled their kids and saw them graduate from a fully accredited college.
What scares me is precedent. Another state may see Cali's win and decide to roll with their own new laws.
Exactly..opponents want to nip the competition in the bud.There are so many good reasons for home-schooling a child.Most students do better in their familiar home environment. There are fewer distractions and the notion that these students will be social outcasts is just propaganda. The time to socialize is "after" school not during class.
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I actually think that socialization and education are equal in the school environment.

The outcasts you speak of are a reflection of how we have taken power from the teachers in our new and improved world where discipline is also known as abuse. Where parents stopped being parents and are just there to provide a roof to their little monsters.

However, socialization of a child to other children of his age is one of the biggest reasons for public or private schooling. I volunteer with a couple of local theatre groups and one of the shows we are doing right now is based on two children. Many of the parents said their children could rehearse late because they were home schooled. These children were great with adults, but when left with the other children, they all sat in silence and stared at each other, having no idea how to relate to each other.
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These children were great with adults, but when left with the other children, they all sat in silence and stared at each other, having no idea how to relate to each other.

I used to work in a public library an this is exactly the impression that I got of most home-schooled children. Even those from large families, though pretty normal in their interaction with each other, seemed unable to interact with children outside their family.

The only thing that I would like to add is that a significant number of these children had a sense of entitlement that I seldom saw among children from either the public or private schools.

They did not "ask" for help when the needed it they "demanded" it.

For instance, a kid from the public school might as, "Can you find this book for me?"

The phrasing from the home-schooled kids was more likely to be, "You need to find this book for me."

I like kids. As a matter of fact, I am an absolute sucker for kids, especially bright precocious kids. But I often found these kids had an arrogant attitude that made them almost impossible to like.

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Well, I think home schooling is bad... it is bad for the child and the society...

In another thread we talked about the lack of sense of community... home schooling is one way to make our children ALOT less social
I don't remember that thread (but that doesn't mean anything; been a long day )
Have you been aquainted with many home schooled parents/kids? What state? The experiences I have had in Texas and Idaho have been very positive.
There are now networks you can join that have sports and other parents and teachers who will tade out teaching skills. I would not be great at anything past Algebra I in math, but there are a lot of people who would teach the math for someone to teach their kid English or Social Studies.
A lot of people do the home schooling for reasons of morality/religion. I would do it (if my kids were younger-they started in public/finished in private) for another very important reason. Public schools don't teach bright kids very well unless you live in an area with a high tax bracket.
I've also seen parents with mentally challenged kids have to move to another district to get proper educational training for them.
I think whatever you can do to make your kid's education better is great.
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I don't remember that thread (but that doesn't mean anything; been a long day )
Have you been aquainted with many home schooled parents/kids? What state? The experiences I have had in Texas and Idaho have been very positive.
There are now networks you can join that have sports and other parents and teachers who will tade out teaching skills. I would not be great at anything past Algebra I in math, but there are a lot of people who would teach the math for someone to teach their kid English or Social Studies.
A lot of people do the home schooling for reasons of morality/religion. I would do it (if my kids were younger-they started in public/finished in private) for another very important reason. Public schools don't teach bright kids very well unless you live in an area with a high tax bracket.
I've also seen parents with mentally challenged kids have to move to another district to get proper educational training for them.
I think whatever you can do to make your kid's education better is great.
Yes, in MA...

I do alot of volunteer work with local community theaters... and many children that are involved are home schooled. I find them to be ok in interacting with adults, but awkward with other children.

Public schools do have trouble keeping up with "bright" students. However, a teacher who has been through years of college is still better equipped to teach our children than most parents are.
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Yes, in MA...

I do alot of volunteer work with local community theaters... and many children that are involved are home schooled. I find them to be ok in interacting with adults, but awkward with other children.
And I find that IMMENSELY better than public school children that act ok with other children but can't interact with adults...
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