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Why? It's not too difficult to slip a woman who doesn't have a tolerance for alcohol a high content drink.

I would agree that it's not rape if they're both too drunk to consent, but I don't like the idea of opening the 'get her drunk' door.

BTW, by 'drunk' I don't mean 'plastered enough to make a bad decision'. I mean too drunk to make a decision.
That would be unconscious, and then of course it's rape. But if the woman is drunk and actively participating, then that's not rape.
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Dang. That concept actually sounded like it had potential.
I think you're right about the first thing, though; it would only make a difference if the guy actually cared about doing the right thing and was simply a bit confused. And- anecdotal evidence produced in this thread notwithstanding- I don't really believe such situations are very common, or that they account for very many rape cases.
I don't either. At some point any man with an IQ over room temperature is going to notice that 'something isn't right'.

And unfortunately, your average rapist is not stupid.
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That would be unconscious, and then of course it's rape. But if the woman is drunk and actively participating, then that's not rape.
Not necessarily unconscious. Drunk to the point of being unable to consent. Knee crawling, commode hugging, set me on fire and I won't notice drunk.

Doing something you later regret because you were drunk at the time is not the fault of the person with whom you were doing it.
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I think the only way more reporting is going to help, is if the women who report are of such 'moral character' that there is no way that society can stick a 'reason why it happened' label on them.

And that would be unlikely, not because rapists care about "moral character", but because tend to target the vulnerable.
In order for their word to be considered beyond reproach, these women would have to be powerful, well known, respected by society. And rapists don't tend to go after women like that. Such women aren't really very vulnerable to rape.

But even if they were... well, who is beyond reproach these days? Whose word is universally believed?
If Hillary Clinton claimed to have been raped, conservatives would say she was lying to garner sympathy for a 2016 presidential run. If Michele Bachmann claimed to have been raped, ditto (except it would be the liberals trying to discredit her).
Even if a woman as famous, well-loved, and universally respected as Oprah Winfrey claimed to have been raped... oh wait, she did. And she never reported it. She never told anyone, not until years and years after the fact.
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There seems to be an attitude among some men on this thread, that women can avoid being assaulted by not 'taking stupid chances'.

It's not an "attitude". It's an absolute fact that people can avoid making stupid choices that put them in harms way.
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It's not an "attitude". It's an absolute fact that people can avoid making stupid choices that put them in harms way.
Women are "in harm's way" no matter where they are. Unless they're locked behind a vaulted door alone.
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It's not an "attitude". It's an absolute fact that people can avoid making stupid choices that put them in harms way.
It would be a "stupid choice", in my opinion, for women to restrict their activities or their participation in the larger world, for fear of rape.
I never have, and I've never been raped.
I know females who have followed all the so-called rules, and have gotten raped. A few were children at the time.
Therefore, the alleged "rules" obviously don't keep anyone safe anyway; all they do is restrict women's freedom and participation in society, which if you ask me is the whole point of them.
Someday I might get raped. I'm not ruling it out. Any woman could.
But if that happens, I won't regret not having lived my life more fearfully.
It is worth the risk, to live the life you want, to be free, not to factor the possibility of rape into any of your choices or decisions.
You know: like a man.
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Nonsense.

Men are just as likely to find themselves in harms way for making stupid choices. It's not a gender specific truth.
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Nonsense.

Men are just as likely to find themselves in harms way for making stupid choices. It's not a gender specific truth.
Men don't worry about rape, except in prison.
Women can be as cautious as men about being "in harm's way"... without taking gender-specific precautions against rape.
These socially prescribed "rape precautions" are far more restrictive, isolating, and disenfranchising than any that men are expected to take, and like I said, I believe that's the point of them.
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