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Um yeah, it really is.
No, it really is not. You may feel that way because the issue is close to you and one that you take great offense over but that's just a feeling on your part. The fact of the matter is that it's a legal/political issue that should be resolved (in our favor), but at the end of the day, it's all political.
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No, it really is not. You may feel that way because the issue is close to you and one that you take great offense over but that's just a feeling on your part. The fact of the matter is that it's a legal/political issue that should be resolved (in our favor), but at the end of the day, it's all political.
Yes it is a legal issue, but it transcends politics since we are all imbued by The Constitution to have equal protection. This man especially as a married vet does NOT have equal protection. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. If he dies before his spouse, his spouse will not get his government pension as he would if he were a woman.

Let's set aside the subjective murky arguments swirling around same sex marriage and focus on this fact for this particular man in this story. There is no question that he holds a valid marriage license fromt the state where he resides....and here comes Romney who A. wants to nullify that license, and short of being able to do that B. Wants to ignore that license on the federal level.

A more blatant case of discrimination, there could not be, and from a man who signed a pledge to insure he does everything in his power as president to make A. and B. happen.

We can agree to disagree on this I guess, but I see it as way more than just a political issue, it is playing with people's lives in a repugnant and insidious way.
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Yes it is a legal issue, but it transcends politics since we are all imbued by The Constitution to have equal protection. This man especially as a married vet does NOT have equal protection. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. If he dies before his spouse, his spouse will not get his government pension as he would if he were a woman.

Let's set aside the subjective murky arguments swirling around same sex marriage and focus on this fact for this particular man in this story. There is no question that he holds a valid marriage license fromt the state where he resides....and here comes Romney who A. wants to nullify that license, and short of being able to do that B. Wants to ignore that license on the federal level.

A more blatant case of discrimination, there could not be, and from a man who signed a pledge to insure he does everything in his power as president to make A. and B. happen.

We can agree to disagree on this I guess, but I see it as way more than just a political issue, it is playing with people's lives in a repugnant and insidious way.
I agree that it is repugnant and insidious. But every you argument you just made was a legal argument (and the right arguments).

I just don't like seeing political discourse devolve to that point. I think the gentleman handled himself very well.
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Yes it is a legal issue, but it transcends politics since we are all imbued by The Constitution to have equal protection.
I agree it's more than merely a political issue. Treating people fairly and equitably is a moral issue. Similarly, slavery, segregation and mixed-race marriage were more than just mere political issues.
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