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1069 · #**141** (**permalink**) 12-13-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by talloulou

I think men use religion as an excuse to dominate women. They could just dominate women because they're typically physically stronger but just being a bully isn't nearly as attractive as being religious and claiming God approves of your violent outbursts.

This has repeatedly been the case throughout history. Even in the US where religion is fairly watered down it is still often the excuse folks give for their more disgusting behaviors. Why just be a hater who hates gays when you can claim you're devout and just following God's homophobic path? (Insert eyeroll here.)

Religion does society more harm than good. This is true throughout history, throughout the world, regardless of religion of choice. Men have consistently made up rot, called it religion, and used it to oppress people in heinous ways.

yes and yes

And yet the church pews are filled with women. Few men even attend regularly.
Women are complicit in their own oppression. Same as in the Islamic world.

knowuryder · #**142** (**permalink**) 12-13-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by talloulou

Totalitarianism demands obedience and the audacity of such a demand is laughable in the absence of fear of punishment. Both Christianity and Islam are totalitarian in design. Both completely misogynistic as well. The only reason Christianity is less violent today than Islam is because Christians today are less devout than Muslims as a whole - so Christianity has been fairly watered down. Here's hoping Allah gets equally diluted in the near future.

Also because "The Christian World" in predominately The West, is on a whole more developed than "The Muslim World"; More education and less poverty mean less dogma. Also, the foreign policies of "The West" have not been the best thing for "The Muslim World" which makes them reactionary. Democracy has tempered our dogma in "The West"....but we need to realize our Western form of Democracy may not work in places like Iraq for example.....and look what is going on in Egypt, that country may be hijacked now by insane extremists and become another Iran.

Manitou · #**143** (**permalink**) 12-13-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by talloulou

Why just be a hater who hates gays when you can claim you're devout and just following God's homophobic path? (Insert eyeroll here.)

Are you going to claim that there is no such word as "heterophobe"? I say let's stick to the islamists versus the infidels.

knowuryder · #**144** (**permalink**) 12-13-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by talloulou

I imagine a vacation to a Muslim country is very different for a man vs. a woman. Let's not pretend I could have a rollicking good time as a woman partying it up in Saudi Arabia.

Now that is the truth.

skrekk · #**145** (**permalink**) 12-13-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by talloulou

I think men use religion as an excuse to dominate women. They could just dominate women because they're typically physically stronger but just being a bully isn't nearly as attractive as being religious and claiming God approves of your violent outbursts.

This has repeatedly been the case throughout history. Even in the US where religion is fairly watered down it is still often the excuse folks give for their more disgusting behaviors. Why just be a hater who hates gays when you can claim you're devout and just following God's homophobic path? (Insert eyeroll here.)

Religion does society more harm than good. This is true throughout history, throughout the world, regardless of religion of choice. Men have consistently made up rot, called it religion, and used it to oppress people in heinous ways.

You'll get no argument from me about the value of religion. But again, it seems that you're applying one standard to Islam which you aren't applying to Christianity or Judaism, even though they all share the same sources for their inherent misogyny. And I really do wonder about what your exposure to Muslims has been since you've been repeating a lot of Islamophobic stereotypes.

talloulou · #**146** (**permalink**) 12-13-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Manitou

Are you going to claim that there is no such word as "heterophobe"?

I have heard gays make derogatory jokes about heterosexuals but I I've yet to come across a gay who hates heterosexuals because God told him to.

knowuryder · #**147** (**permalink**) 12-13-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Manitou

Are you going to claim that there is no such word as "heterophobe"? I say let's stick to the islamists versus the infidels.

I am, because it is ludicrous. Who hates heterosexuals? Most people have heterosexual parents.

Please give me an example of someone having an irrational fear of, aversion to or discrimination against heterosexuals SIMPLY BECAUSE they are heterosexual.

Name ONE policy that is "heterophobic"?

rivrrat · #**148** (**permalink**) 12-13-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Manitou

Anybody would be devout as a group if the group's mentality called for your death for being apostate in the group. It doesn't work like Islam in the other beliefs, as far as I can see.

Not anymore. But it used to work that way in other religions, like Christianity.

But then christians became less devout and grew up, realizing that a free, functional, thriving society could not be a theocracy. It took a really, really long time to get to that point though. Eventually, Islam will get there too. Compared to Christianity, Islam is in it's terrible toddler years. When Christianity was in it's terrible twos, it resulted in mass violence and oppression. Why should we expect anything less from Islam?

They'll find their way, eventually. It's sad that religions must go through this process, but it seems to just be the way it is. That doesn't make it right, it just is what it is.

talloulou · #**149** (**permalink**) 12-13-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by skrekk

You'll get no argument from me about the value of religion. But again, it seems that you're applying one standard to Islam which you aren't applying to Christianity or Judaism, even though they all share the same sources for their inherent misogyny. And I really do wonder about what your exposure to Muslims has been since you're repeating a lot of stereotypes.

I'm not applying different standards at all. Christians have the capacity of gross violence and they have a history of doing horribly violent things all in the name of God. However, today, Christians as a whole are less devout and thus less dangerous. Once you see big box stores hawking non-denominational Islam to the masses replacing the strict traditional mosques, once women stop dressing the part, once a desire for equality replaces a desire for sharia Islam too will be less dangerous. We're just not there yet.

Since you claim I'm repeating stereotypes - what have I said that is untrue or debatable?

Manitou · #**150** (**permalink**) 12-13-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by talloulou

I have heard gays make derogatory jokes about heterosexuals but I I've yet to come across a gay who hates heterosexuals because God told him to.

It's like this: If you have a friend who does something to make you gag, like eating his own vomit and enjoying it, or something tamer, like trichotillomania accompanied by eating the hair, and he tells you to get over it, do you hate what he does and he is still your friend? God wants people to hate the bad but love the person who does bad. I think the line is drawn at wanton disregard for innocent lives or the murder thereof. I am of no religion. I'm going by sources readily available if you google them.

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