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Welcome to the century of Terrorism, which has changed so much for most of the developed countries.

People are dying from hunger yet getting them aid is so much more different than before.

Yes before had a lot of risks but in todays world it is worst and then more rules to obey.

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Q+A: The headaches of getting aid to famine-stricken Somalia

By Katie Nguyen and Katy Migiro | Reuters – 2 hrs 58 mins ago, 28 July 2011

By Katie Nguyen and Katy Migiro

LONDON/NAIROBI, July 28 (AlertNet) - Aid groups, which have been clamoring for money to help famine-stricken Somalia, are struggling to reach millions in the affected areas.

Some 3.7 million Somalis risk starvation in two regions of south Somalia controlled by Islamist al Shabaab militants. Yet more than 2 million of them have not received any help.

Here are some problems facing aid delivery in Somalia.

WHY IS AL SHABAAB'S POSITION ON AID SO CONFUSING?

Because it is divided. Al Shabaab is not a cohesive organization and its members disagree on a range of issues, not least whether to allow Western aid agencies into its territory.

"Some of the Shabaab leaders ... answer to their clans and communities in their areas of control," Ken Menkhaus, political science professor at Davidson College in the United States, told AlertNet. "They care about getting food to their people and have a record of working with aid agencies.

"Others are constituency free -- they come from other parts of the country or from abroad and tend to be indifferent to the costs of their policies on local populations. The famine is making this split crystal clear."

Al Shabaab has blamed food aid for creating dependency. In February 2010, the group ordered the World Food Program to leave. In the same year, it expelled three aid agencies, accusing them of spreading Christian propaganda.

Al Shabaab lifted the food aid ban earlier this month, saying agencies with no hidden agenda were free to operate in their areas. But then it said expelled agencies remained banned.

Wary of the failure that famine implies, the insurgents have accused the United Nations of exaggerating the severity of the drought in the south and politicizing the crisis.

"Many Somalis in southern Somalia will die either under al Shabaab control or escape the region to refugee camps in Kenya and Ethiopia or even become IDPs (internally displaced) in small areas controlled by ASWJ (Ahlu Sunna Waljamaca, a pro-government group) and the TFG (transitional federal government)," said David Shinn, a former U.S. ambassador to Ethiopia. "Either way, this damages al Shabaab's image and weakens its control."

WHAT IS STOPPING AID FROM BEING QUICKLY SCALED UP?

ACCESS: The lack of clarity about humanitarian access means many aid agencies are operating cautiously. As one aid worker said: "The ones that are still there are trying to fly under the radar. They are trying to operate without getting kicked out."

Even if al Shabaab in Mogadishu called for unconditional access for aid groups, there is no guarantee that local commanders, who might have different views, would fall in line.

"Then there's the assumption that the message is even getting down to those field grunts and their captains," one aid worker wrote in a blog.

"Or the notion that some 16-year-old with an AK-47, who's never been to school but has spent the last 10 years being told that Westerners are pillaging his country and deserve to die, will pay any attention to some recent order from someone he's never heard of, when he sees an NGO Land Cruiser drive past."

Given the way Somalia has been carved up by clan leaders and militias, access has to be negotiated and re-negotiated every step of the way, and that takes time. Even so, not all al Shabaab factions are hostile to aid groups. The International Committee of the Red Cross has, notably, been able to operate.

INSECURITY: Not only is Somalia awash with guns, but there are concerns about landmines and reports of jihadist training camps.

To scale up, aid groups need to reinforce their teams, ideally with international staff with experience of working in other emergencies, but the history of aid worker abductions and killings in the country is a strong deterrent.

In 2008, 37 humanitarian workers were killed in Somalia, accounting for two-thirds of such deaths globally, according to the European Commission.

WFP, which is channeling food through local groups, says Somalia is the most dangerous environment it is working in.

LOGISTICS: UNICEF airlifted several tonnes of food and medicine to rebel-held Baidoa earlier this month and WFP airlifted more food to Mogadishu on Wednesday. Others have been trucking supplies in from neighboring Kenya. But two decades of conflict has damaged Somalia's infrastructure.

WHAT OTHER PROBLEMS DO AID AGENCIES FACE?

Pressure to pay "taxes" for access and security is a key concern. For example, al Shabaab had at one stage demanded that WFP sack female staff and pay thousands of dollars for security.

And it's not just WFP. One former aid worker told AlertNet his organization refused to give in to demands for bribes, but the reality of working in Somalia meant local staff felt compelled to hand over cash to make their lives easier.

Another occupational hazard is the risk of food aid being stolen, and the pressure to hire certain individuals purely because of their all-important clan links.

Aid groups planning to return to Somalia face the added task of rebuilding their logistics, recruiting staff and forging ties with communities made suspicious by their expulsion.

CAN AID GROUPS FALL FOUL OF ANTI-TERROR LAWS?

Laws passed in the United States and Britain after the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States and July 7, 2005 bombings in London outlaw "material support" to foreign organisations designated as terrorist groups -- including al Shabaab.

Aid agencies are worried about falling foul of these laws if their aid indirectly ends up in al Shabaab hands. They are nervous their activities may leave them open to criminal prosecution. It could be as simple as inadvertently hiring trucks from contractors with links to al Shabaab.

They are also concerned that funding from the United States -- the world's biggest donor -- will be limited simply because al Shabaab controls famine-hit regions.
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Hey you aid groups, don't look for my donations.
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..and there are still people out there who think that we shouldn't intervene in foreign conflicts. We had a chance to help get Somalia on the right track, but the C.I.C. at that time chose to run and hide when the people who are currently creating this famine gave us a bloody nose. Had we stayed and kicked the out of those people, they wouldn't be in the position they are in today. I can't guarantee you that it would be a paradise, but I can say with great confidence that had we stayed in Somalia and helped them build a base of freedom and self-reliance, we wouldn't be seeing anywhere near the number of pirate attacks or the horrific situation that the Somali people live under today. This is the result of sitting on our hands and allowing bad people to have thier way with the weak.
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..and there are still people out there who think that we shouldn't intervene in foreign conflicts. We had a chance to help get Somalia on the right track, but the C.I.C. at that time chose to run and hide when the people who are currently creating this famine gave us a bloody nose. Had we stayed and kicked the out of those people, they wouldn't be in the position they are in today. I can't guarantee you that it would be a paradise, but I can say with great confidence that had we stayed in Somalia and helped them build a base of freedom and self-reliance, we wouldn't be seeing anywhere near the number of pirate attacks or the horrific situation that the Somali people live under today. This is the result of sitting on our hands and allowing bad people to have thier way with the weak.


Wasn't that during Bill Clinton's watch? The same one who wouldn't send tanks to support our troops.

And what else would most dems do. And our current POTUS is listening to the Hawks, why?

It is costing him support from his base yet he still sticks to these losers in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan..

There has to be a reason why he is taking his time to do what was the only reason I voted for him.

Man I dislike a lier.

If anyone wants to settle our debt it should start with bring our troops home not taking from seniors or the Vets who earned what little they get.

And this morning I saw where one reporter for Fox News was at the boarder crossing in CA. and they got 3 cars in the short time he was reporting all with harder drugs which bring in more $ for the cartels.

But where do they get Heroin from? Which was stuffed in the battery of one car and in other places.
Another was in the drive shaff of a PU truck. Sense the poppy season is over in Afghanistan, I would think from our enemy.

And more and more are using the harder drugs in America. Making our police forces work harder to enforce the laws. So our troops might be used to fight these battles. And I include the many gangs causing a lot of our problems in about every place.
Cause we have a war we are losing right here in America.
So between more family disturbances (which are on the rise every where here) and other broken laws like drinking and driving which is also on the rise each police department is trying hard to keep up.

One job I would never want and I grew up thinking I would become one. I had a chance when I got out of the Army but sense the N.J. state trooper said, "we need guys like you"

And I just got out of the Nam. I felt no way do I want to kill another person. And got up and left.
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I care as people are dying from hunger while others are eating much better foods, so when you enjoy your meal tonight at least give a thought about the less fortunate.

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By ABDI GULED - Associated Press,MALKHADIR M. MUHAMED - Associated Press | AP – 29 mins ago, 1st. Aug. 2011

DADAAB, Kenya (AP) — As the Islamic holy month of Ramadan begins, Faduma Aden is fasting all day even though she doesn't have enough food to celebrate with a sundown feast. The Somali mother of three, who fled starvation in her homeland, says she fasts because she fears God.

Muslims around the world mark sundown during Ramadan with extravagant dinners after not eating from sunrise to sundown. That kind of nighttime celebration is unthinkable this year for most Somalis, who are enduring the worst famine in a generation.

Again I point out they except the West to help their brothers/sisters while they enjoy a decent meal, just showing these people of the Koran aren't always so good at being ready to help each other.

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As my good friend from Botswana says, Africa will never change.
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As my good friend from Botswana says, Africa will never change.
But Africa has changed. It was once the center of the civilized world...they had universities in Africa before the Europeans had ever even considered making their kings literate.
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But Africa has changed. It was once the center of the civilized world...they had universities in Africa before the Europeans had ever even considered making their kings literate.


And before that all of the people on this planet today can be traced back to Africa...

And it has changed many times many like the above or tribal warfare, or where some have chose to become a democracy.

It once was a lush rain forest, then had an inland salt sea, it has changed many times.

lizzies friend is stuck in the last years where men seeking power and the rewards that come with it have almost destroyed some of the Nation, as these Al-Qaida off shoots are doing now.

And that is just another of the many changes. From Dictator's to the present terror groups.

So yes Africa is always in motion and changing.
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Update: The hunger are being feed. Which is good.

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DOLO, Somalia (AP) — As she celebrated the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Fitr on Tuesday, Somali mother Quresho Mohmoud Dahir counted her blessings: all her children were alive. They had food. They were safe.

"We will eat very well today," she said proudly, gesturing at the food rations she'd received that morning. Her 12-year-old daughter sat protectively atop the two sacks of corn and the beans her mother was going to prepare.

Dahir is one of hundreds of thousands of Somalis forced to flee their homes by war and famine. She and her six children, the youngest only three years old, walked 12 days to get to this United Nations-run camp on the Ethiopia-Somali border after her husband disappeared after some fighting in their area.

Some days they were so hungry they ate leaves from trees. At night, she agonized over lighting a fire; it would protect her children from hyenas but might attract criminals or militias. Finally — sick, starving and exhausted — they stumbled into Dolo, a wind-swept outpost of brushwood buildings scattered among the twisted thorn trees and red sand.

Now the seven of them live in a ragged shelter made of plastic scraps and torn clothing stretched over branches. They depend on donors for everything from cooking pots to sleeping mats to food.

Dahir remembers past years when she used to mark Eid by slaughtering her own goats, having a feast for friends and family and giving charity to her poorer neighbors. But she said this year she will cook her donated rations gladly, and give thanks for the kindness of the people that let her family survive a famine that has already claimed tens of thousands of lives.

"Thank Allah that we were welcomed here and given food and we are safe," she said, squatting in their makeshift shelter. "We are blessed. So many people helped us along the way."
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