I'm all for that sort of thing.


Unfortunately, and I suspect you think I'm making this up, Traditional Islam forbids friendship or equality between Muslims and non-Muslims, and it does so rigidly. What more can I say?

Traditional Islam teaches and demands that it must subjugate, kill or convert all the unbelievers in the world, and that dying in that cause is the greatest thing a person can do. it allows no revision of this view.

Please, read up on it for yourself. But read stuff that is intended for the consumption of Muslims, not stuff written by Muslims for the consumption of Infidels, at least not exclusively. We can't go forward until you know what Islam teaches, and how that teaching is seen, that is, as the unalterable and scarcely interpretable direct word of Allah.

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I don't think you are "making it up" - I think you are only willing to look at one view of the religion. Rather like the blind man and the elephant.

I don't agree, but I also know nothing I say is likely to change your mind is it?

That's the problem. I have been. I've been reading from a variety of viewpoints.

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Since I'm not the one who thinks it's a wonderful thing to see my people blowing up, shooting and beheading strangers all over the world, just maybe it isn't my mind that needs changing but that of the Muslims?

Again, the "viewpoints" that aren't for Muslims, by Muslims are trivial in this case.

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Umh....who thinks that?


As I said - study from more than one Muslim viewpoint (or better yet - from more than one collection of Muslim viewpoints).

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These bitches for a few. Delighted that their own kids blew themselves and some strangers up.


How about children's television geared to encouraging kids to jihad?



Thousands of examples can be found with minimal effort.

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Oh, here's some more educational material.

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It's very easy to find youtube videos but very hard to verify them and place them in appropriate contexts. They are the tabloids of the internet.

It's very easy to clip out segments, stick unrelated bits together, edit it or make claims about it that are largely unfounded.

One example is the often repeated video clip of some Palestinians "cheering" the 9/11 attacks. This one is spread with the implication that not only does it represent the views of all Palestinians but indeed, most Muslims. What's left out is a great deal of context.

Unlike written words, videos are more difficult to authenticate and people readily buy into them.

But videos on youtube do one very good thing: they allow someone to "legitimately" smear entire groups of people through the actions of a few, and feel very righteous about it in the process.

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OK you're right I surrender. There is no Jihad, Muslim doctrine calls for peace and strawberries for all people, when the next terrorist (May I assert that there are terrorists?) Bomb goes off in a crowed marketplace, it will just as likely have been planted by a Seventh Day Adventist as anyone else.

The Imams in the Mosques around the world are not calling for the extermination of the Jews, women are treated fairly and with respect equal to men under Islamic law, and all the Palestinians want is to live in peace and amity with Israel.

These are all untrue, of course, but I hope that by uttering them I've given you a few moments of contentment in Fantasy Land.

You know a lot of people who didn't have to die, have been torn to bloody flecks of charred meat and gristle in recent years to pay for the fantasy. And many more will, too. I wonder if a fantasy is worth so much blood?

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Why would you say that?

I'm not making that argument.

Strawman.

More strawmen.

Congratulations - you've created an entire platoon of strawmen

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I should comment here too...


it's "minimal effort" because there is no attempt to check for accuracy, for context, for agendas or for any other points of view. That would require effort

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