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Old 06-15-2011, 12:11 PM
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I am not hysterical or fearmongering but you are ofcourse free to call me whatever you want.I could ofcourse say that the enthusiasm of support for PBs etc is borderline hysterical too...but I won't
The fact remains that they were originally bred to be 'mean'.

Pit Bulls are banned here along with some other breeds and I fully support that.
They were not banned without a just reason.

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Only a hysterical and fear mongering person would want some dog breeds banned just because 10-20 dogs a year out of 5,000,000 dogs in this country were involved in fatal attacks. There is no just reason to ban them.
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Old 06-15-2011, 12:17 PM
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I am not hysterical or fearmongering but you are ofcourse free to call me whatever you want.I could ofcourse say that the enthusiasm of support for PBs etc is borderline hysterical too...but I won't
The fact remains that they were originally bred to be 'mean'.

Pit Bulls are banned here along with some other breeds and I fully support that.
They were not banned without a just reason.

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I think we've covered all aspects. Thanks for the feedbacks.
Not really. They were bred to be very dog aggressive (a trait common to a lot of terriers), but not aggressive towards humans becuase they have to allow themselves to be handled.

I do think however, people who are intent on saving the pit as the good breed it historically is - need to look seriously at breeding for temperment and distance themselves strongly from the junkyard breeders who are breeding for a "tough" dog and take back control of their breed. The Dobie people were able to do that. There really is no reason any more to breed for a dog-aggressive temperment since dog fighting is illegal in many areas.
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That points back to the JAMA and the CDC reports: the reason breed specific legislation doesn't work is because dogs are often misidentified as pit bulls when they aren't.
Not only are they misidentified but it doesn't address the actual problem: irresponsible owners and dangerous dogs. If you ban one breed, another will simply replace it.
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I am not hysterical or fearmongering but you are ofcourse free to call me whatever you want.I could ofcourse say that the enthusiasm of support for PBs etc is borderline hysterical too...but I won't
The fact remains that they were originally bred to be 'mean'.

Pit Bulls are banned here along with some other breeds and I fully support that.
They were not banned without a just reason.

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I think we've covered all aspects. Thanks for the feedbacks.
Covered it all?

We have not yet even established that either the owners, breeders or a recognized breed expert has identified the dogs who mauled this poor man as Pit Bulls.

Don't you want actual facts to base your views on?
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Okay... let me get this straight..

There are about 5 MILLION pit bulls in this country.
During the course of a year, about 10 of those 5 MILLION kill someone (for various reasons).
10 dogs out of 5 MILLION means that the whole 5 MILLION are dangerous man eaters and should be banned?

****ing seriously?
The rest of the owners of pits probably have enough sense to live rural or at least always have control where their pet is. Either ban them in certain areas or get rid of them.
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I think this statement from APDT sums it up pretty well:

The following statements reflect the opinion of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers.

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The Association of Pet dog Trainers (APDT) supports the adoption or enforcement of a program for the control of potentially dangerous or vicious dogs that is fair, non-discriminatory and addresses dogs that are shown to be dangerous by their actions.

The APDT opposes any law that deems a dog as dangerous or vicious based on appearance, breed or phenotype. Canine temperaments are widely varied, and behavior cannot be predicted by physical features such as head shape, coat length, muscle to bone ratio, etc. The only predictor of behavior is behavior.The solution to preventing dog bites is education of owners, breeder, and the general public about aggression prevention, not legislation directed at certain breeds.

As an organization comprised of dog trainers, behaviorists and other animal professionals, the APDT is fully aware that any dog can bite, any dog can maim, and any dog can kill. A dangerous or vicious dog is a product of a combination of individual genetics, upbringing, socialization, and lack of proper training. The solution to preventing dog bites is education of owners, breeder, and the general public about aggression prevention, not legislation directed at certain breeds.

Singling out and publicly demonizing certain breeds as dangerous is unfair, discriminatory, and does an immense disservice to those breeds and the people who care about them. Even more chilling, breed specific legislation encourages the faulty public perception of other breeds as being inherently safe. This can lead misguided individuals to engage in unsafe conduct with other breeds that can result in injury or death by individual representatives of those breeds mistakenly perceived as safe. Also, designating certain breeds as inherently dangerous implies to the public that behavior is not effectively influenced, positively or negatively, by training. This misconception will likely produce a growing number of dangerous dogs as misinformed, complacent dog owners fail to practice responsible aggression-prevention measures.
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The rest of the owners of pits probably have enough sense to live rural or at least always have control where their pet is. Either ban them in certain areas or get rid of them.
Seeing how its only a handful of dogs that are involved in fatal dog attacks then perhaps its has something to do with the owners and not the dogs. A handful of fatal attacks does not make a one breed any more dangerous than another.
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The rest of the owners of pits probably have enough sense to live rural or at least always have control where their pet is. Either ban them in certain areas or get rid of them.
So you're still contending that 10 dogs out of 5 million are indicative of the entire 5 million?
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So you're still contending that 10 dogs out of 5 million are indicative of the entire 5 million?
I think she's contending that emotion trumps logic, facts and reason.
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