Bomb-making factory found in Brooklyn apartment of Columbia professor

cnredd · #1 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008, 10:54 AM

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Police stumbled upon a bomb-making factory Sunday in the home of a Columbia professor who specializes in the spread of infectious disease - and are investigating whether he and his roommate have terror ties.

Cops evacuated the Brooklyn Heights neighborhood around the Remsen St. home of Michael Clatts, a medical anthropologist, after finding seven pipe bombs fitted with fuses in his flat, police sources said.

The frightening cache was discovered almost by accident - Ivaylo Ivanov, the man living with Clatts, accidentally shot off the tip of his left index finger and sought police help in the street about 1:15 a.m

When investigators went to the 37-year-old Ivanov's apartment, they found the bombs, already capped on both ends and filled with powder. One of the pipe bombs was inserted into a Nerf football, cops said.

A 9-mm. handgun, two ammunition magazines, a 12-gauge shotgun, silencers, a bulletproof vest, a crossbow and bomb-making equipment, including a drill and threading machine that could be used to make pipe bombs, were also recovered, cops said.

A little more added...

Weapons Trove Suspect Is Linked to Hate Crimes

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It all happened in less than three hours on a cool September night — a prolific spurt of anti-Jewish vandalism at more than a dozen locations in the heart of Brooklyn Heights.

On Monday, the police caught a break, arresting a man who they said had a trove of weapons inside a stately apartment building in the neighborhood. The man, Ivaylo Ivanov, admitted under videotaped questioning that he was behind the spree, which had mystified investigators for months, the police said.

And later Monday evening, after Mr. Ivanov’s arraignment in Brooklyn Criminal Court, his lawyer surprised reporters with his own announcement: Mr. Ivanov is himself Jewish.

The revelation was the latest twist in a bizarre story that features a man who, police said, shot his own finger; a sizable weapons collection, including pipe bombs and a sawed-off shotgun, found in an apartment in one of Brooklyn’s most exclusive neighborhoods; and a prominent H.I.V./AIDS researcher and medical anthropologist, who owns the apartment.

The hate crimes had unsettled local residents, many of whom awoke on the morning of Sept. 25 to find swastikas and other slurs scratched, scrawled and spray-painted on cars, playgrounds, synagogues and building facades. Crude fliers reading “Kill All Jews” were strewn about.

I find it VERY interesting that The NY Daily News points out the that Clatts is a Columbia U. professor up front, yet the NYT (surprise!) doesn't mention it AT ALL...

I guess after the "still unsolved" noose incident, the President of Iran's visit, and students storming the stage with signs saying "There are no illegals" during a speech from the Minutemen, the NYT want to hide their ideological buddies...

Spencer Collins · #2 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008, 04:25 PM

Columbia...that explains almost everything..

dabateman · #3 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008, 05:42 PM

Where the man works has little relevance to the story unless the school is actively providing him with support to carry out his plot. They aren't. Therefore not relevant.

Spencer Collins · #4 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dabateman

Where the man works has little relevance to the story unless the school is actively providing him with support to carry out his plot. They aren't. Therefore not relevant.

True enough but what is relevant is that the NYT does not mention Columbia.I wonder why? It "could" be that they thought it was not relevant but it could also mean that Columbia is considered by many to be a liberal school.

cnredd · #5 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dabateman

Where the man works has little relevance to the story unless the school is actively providing him with support to carry out his plot. They aren't. Therefore not relevant.

What?!?!?!!?...

First, the professor is in charge of students...That might have to do with a couple of little things called "character" & "judgement"...

Second, the school DID provide support for his actions...Directly?...Of course not(at least not shown...I'd be surprised as all hell if they did)...

Spencer's comment is right on point...

Columbia's atmosphere, far-left radicalism, incidents of subvertion, and defense of radical fundamentalism creates a scenario in which things like this take place...

If you were to ask the public "Which college would you expect a professor's apartment to be used for pipe bomb making and anti-Semitism incidents?", Columbia would be near the top of the list. (Berkeley probably being first)...

One would expect that something like this would NEVER happen with ANY college professor involved...But in this day and age, Spencer's comments shows that surprise isn't part of the program anymore...

"Columbia...that explains almost everything..

"

dabateman · #6 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

What?!?!?!!?...

First, the professor is in charge of students...That might have to do with a couple of little things called "character" & "judgement"...

Second, the school DID provide support for his actions...Directly?...Of course not(at least not shown...I'd be surprised as all hell if they did)...

Spencer's comment is right on point...

Columbia's atmosphere, far-left radicalism, incidents of subvertion, and defense of radical fundamentalism creates a scenario in which things like this take place...

If you were to ask the public "Which college would you expect a professor's apartment to be used for pipe bomb making and anti-Semitism incidents?", Columbia would be near the top of the list. (Berkeley probably being first)...

One would expect that something like this would NEVER happen with ANY college professor involved...But in this day and age, Spencer's comments shows that surprise isn't part of the program anymore...

"Columbia...that explains almost everything..

"

But the character and judgment are for the school to determine, not the paper. If it turns out that they had someone on their staff doing something wrong then by all means they should fire him. But the fact that he worked at Columbia had no relevance to his crime.

We agree that the school did not provide direct support for the man. It's not the schools fault that they have a thief. It would be their fault if they continued his employment past this incident.

The reason that the right blows these incidents out of proportion is because colleges are the paragons of the left.

cnredd · #7 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dabateman

But the character and judgment are for the school to determine, not the paper.

But in reporting, they have an obligation to show what they know to the readers for THEM to make that determination...

YOU don't think the fact that Columbia is where the guy works has any relevancy...Spencer and I disagree...That's fair...

But what's NOT FAIR is the NYT NOT divulging that information so people like you and I can make that determination for ourselves...

dabateman · #8 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

But in reporting, they have an obligation to show what they know to the readers for THEM to make that determination...

YOU don't think the fact that Columbia is where the guy works has any relevancy...Spencer and I disagree...That's fair...

But what's NOT FAIR is the NYT NOT divulging that information so people like you and I can make that determination for ourselves...

You are putting words into Spencer's quote. What I got from his quote was that the job was irrelevant. Period. Now the reasoning as to why the NYT didn't report the job was a question in his mind. Were they doing it to protect the school or were they doing simply because it wasn't relevant.

Why divulge the information? The man working for Columbia has nothing to do with the story.

cnredd · #9 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dabateman

You are putting words into Spencer's quote. What I got from his quote was that the job was irrelevant. Period. Now the reasoning as to why the NYT didn't report the job was a question in his mind. Were they doing it to protect the school or were they doing simply because it wasn't relevant.

Why divulge the information? The man working for Columbia has nothing to do with the story.

That doesn't work...

Wanna make a bet?...

Heath Ledger just died...

Are you going to tell me that the NYT won't have a story that has something like the phrase "Ledger starred in movies such as "blah blah blah and blah blah blah..."?...

According to you, that irrelevant!!...It doesn't MATTER what movies he was in...Did the movies cause his death?...Were they "directly involved"?...Of course not, so the NYT should just not mention it at all...

Absurd logic, ain't it?...

cnredd · #10 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

That doesn't work...

Wanna make a bet?...

Heath Ledger just died...

Are you going to tell me that the NYT won't have a story that has something like the phrase "Ledger starred in movies such as "blah blah blah and blah blah blah..."?...

According to you, that irrelevant!!...It doesn't MATTER what movies he was in...Did the movies cause his death?...Were they "directly involved"?...Of course not, so the NYT should just not mention it at all...

Absurd logic, ain't it?...

AND just as I predicted, the NYT has the story with a WHOLE BUNCH of information that debateman believes shouldn't be included because it's "not directly involved" with anything...

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Mr. Ledger, the star of “Brokeback Mountain” and other films, was discovered by a housekeeper and a masseuse, the police said.

No need to tell anyone about that, right d-man?...

Want more?...

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A native of Perth, Australia, Mr. Ledger, known for his wry grin and uncontrolled blondish hair, defied typecasting throughout his career. Mr. Ledger, who was born on April 4, 1979, gained roles in children’s television after he first appeared in a play for a local theater company. He decided to pursue acting as a career, appearing in Australian soap operas before moving to Hollywood in pursuit of a girlfriend.

Look at that d-man...a WHOLE PARAGRAPH with, according to your logic, unecessary stuff that the NYT should not have divulged because it's meaningless to the story...How DARE the NYT do that...

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