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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - A legislative panel stood and applauded the father of 9-year-old-murder victim Jessica Lunsford on Tuesday before approving a bill he said would have prevented her death.

Mark Lunsford, sometimes pausing to choke back tears, spoke on behalf of the measure (HB 85) that would send child molesters 18 years or older to prison for life if convicted more than once of molesting a child under 12.
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Mark Lunsford, sometimes pausing to choke back tears, spoke on behalf of the measure (HB 85) that would send child molesters 18 years or older to prison for life if convicted more than once of molesting a child under 12.
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It's a shame that someone has to go through heartbreak to get common sense passed...
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It's a shame that someone has to go through heartbreak to get common sense passed...
It's a shame that it takes a 2nd offense to sentence someone to a long prison sentence...... Life on the 1st offense. I am sure with some research, you could find where a huge majority of 1st offenders, will turn out to be repeat offenders.... Take care of them the first time.
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It's a shame that it takes a 2nd offense to sentence someone to a long prison sentence...... Life on the 1st offense. I am sure with some research, you could find where a huge majority of 1st offenders, will turn out to be repeat offenders.... Take care of them the first time.
Jessica's Law has a mandatory minimum of 25 years...
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It's a shame that it takes a 2nd offense to sentence someone to a long prison sentence...... Life on the 1st offense. I am sure with some research, you could find where a huge majority of 1st offenders, will turn out to be repeat offenders.... Take care of them the first time.
I think the preferred punishment for these scum is the death penalty,but for now we'll take what we can get when it comes to punishing these scum until stiffer punishments can be added.
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I am for fully addressing the pedophillia problem.

However, .......

Our prisoners are overcrowded. Here in California, the Governor is actually shortening sentences on non violent criminals as budget reducion tactic. The priority is of course violent criminal. It costs between 40,000 to 90,000 bucks a year for each criminal, the most expensive being on death row. Here, they have them stacked up in bunkbeds in dormitories.

I could say treatment, but I am not convinced treatment is that effective. The repetition of offenses of pedophile completing treatment is not impressive.
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I am for fully addressing the pedophillia problem.

However, .......

Our prisoners are overcrowded. Here in California, the Governor is actually shortening sentences on non violent criminals as budget reducion tactic. The priority is of course violent criminal. It costs between 40,000 to 90,000 bucks a year for each criminal, the most expensive being on death row. Here, they have them stacked up in bunkbeds in dormitories.

I could say treatment, but I am not convinced treatment is that effective. The repetition of offenses of pedophile completing treatment is not impressive.
How do you "treat" what some doctors consider a "sexual orientation".
Treatments to Change Sexual Orientation -- BERLIN 157 (5): 838 -- Am J Psychiatry
The psychiatric profession still correctly considers pedophilia to be a mental disorder. However, like heterosexuality and homosexuality (orientations that differ from one another on the basis of differences in sexual attraction), pedophilia, too, can be thought of as a sexual orientation that is different from others on the basis of age of attraction. As with other sexual orientations, irrespective of the relative contributions of genetics and environment, maturing individuals discover the nature of their own attractions; such attractions are not the consequence of a volitional decision. Historically, untold numbers of human beings have been both demonized and vilified simply because their sexual makeups differ from the norm.

As if someone "chooses" to be attracted to children. And can you execute a person who is biologically predisposed to be a pedo?
Are some men predisposed to pedophilia?
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1) The quote indicates a doctor who stated pedophilia "can be thought of as a sexual orientation".
It didn't include any indication he DID think of it as a sexual orientation.

2) The APA's definition of "sexual orientation" clearly establishes that pedophilia is not a "sexual orientation".
Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only).
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3) "Biologically predisposed"?
The article talks about an average height difference of 2 cm. Less than an inch.

There is a higher correlation to GENDER whereby 96% of sexual assaults are committed by males...
Pedophile and Child Molester Statistics - Yello Dyno

Considering there is also a correlation between pedophiles PREVIOUSLY BEING VICTIMS of pedophilia, it is more likely that the pedophiles simply pick the child more likely to be seen as weak (the shorter one), which would also induce a height difference.
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1) The quote indicates a doctor who stated pedophilia "can be thought of as a sexual orientation".
It didn't include any indication he DID think of it as a sexual orientation.
That's reaching a bit don't you think? It's amazing how specific you have to be sometimes....Is this a better quote?
Douglas Edwards cites Fred Berlin (cache) of the Johns Hopkins Department of Psychiatry: “Dr. Berlin discounts the common view that pedophilia is a conscious choice. He regards pedophilia as a lifelong sexual orientation, just as hetero- and homosexuality, and he says patients can be terrified by the discovery of pedophilic cravings


or maybe this one...
According to Dr. Fred Berlin, a Johns Hopkins University professor who founded the National Institute for the Study, Prevention and Treatment of Sexual Trauma in Baltimore, Md., pedophilia is a distinct sexual orientation marked by persistent, sometimes exclusive, attraction to prepubescent children.


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2) The APA's definition of "sexual orientation" clearly establishes that pedophilia is not a "sexual orientation".
Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only).
Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality
And we all know the APA is be all end all don't we. They leave "science" up to popular vote. If that ain't "scientific method". Reading that "definition, it seems they place verbal limits on the definition by giving their own parameters. "Why" is it limited to those defined parameters? I wonder have they put it up for a vote?

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3) "Biologically predisposed"?
The article talks about an average height difference of 2 cm. Less than an inch.
It's not my research...Nor my "significant" difference. I found the difference rather miniscule and questionable myself. But it made news. Here's another link...
Cantor theorizes that genes have nothing to do with it. He believes something wrong must happen during the formation of the pedophile's brain in the womb that causes a whole constellation of changes.

Does that sound familiar or do I need to be more specific?

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There is a higher correlation to GENDER whereby 96% of sexual assaults are committed by males...
Pedophile and Child Molester Statistics - Yello Dyno
But that applies to anything paraphilia related.
Paraphilias are primarily male disorders.

Even homosexuality effects men twice as much as women. And of the women that profess to be homosexual, having absolutely no male sexual history is rare.

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Considering there is also a correlation between pedophiles PREVIOUSLY BEING VICTIMS of pedophilia, it is more likely that the pedophiles simply pick the child more likely to be seen as weak (the shorter one), which would also induce a height difference.
Really? The above pedophile link specifically discounts that theory...
It's long been thought that pedophiles have been damaged by some psycho-social factor, such as abuse during their childhood or a tramautic early sexual history.
"But there's never been good evidence to support that theory," Cantor told CTV.ca in a telephone interview.
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